I understand that. But there won't be any changes here in the US because of this. Like I said, we already have a system in place. Whether or not it's going to prevent someone from flying who is depressed won't matter because it will prevent something like this, a sick S.O.B., from being alone up front.
German Wings A320 crashed
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I understand that. But there won't be any changes here in the US because of this. Like I said, we already have a system in place. Whether or not it's going to prevent someone from flying who is depressed won't matter because it will prevent something like this, a sick S.O.B., from being alone up front.
deadstick
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Someone posted (maybe elsewhere) that if a person is determined to do this, having another person in the cockpit isn't a guaranteed defense.
A few years ago, I recall the FAA violated a bunch of folks because they started cross-referencing SSA and VA records for reported disabilities. Look at the FAA's run at sleep apnea. The process wasn't followed, kind of balls-ey really, but a few years later there's a change. With the ATP rule, didn't Congress cut out the FAA and passed the law?
At this point, nothing will surprise me.
GypsyPilot
Mohawk Town
All this talk of HUGE changes coming to the aviation system, a 9/11 type response, distrusting passengers, and so on, is completely overblown for US Airlines IMO.
Today was my first day back, and while my PAs probably sounded a little friendlier and chipper than usual for an early AM flight, all was normal. No stupid remarks from pax, nobody was looking at me weird in the terminal, etc. The FAA is going to claim (right or wrong) that we already had a significantly different system in place compared to GermanWings. Just my opinion of course...
Today was my first day back, and while my PAs probably sounded a little friendlier and chipper than usual for an early AM flight, all was normal. No stupid remarks from pax, nobody was looking at me weird in the terminal, etc. The FAA is going to claim (right or wrong) that we already had a significantly different system in place compared to GermanWings. Just my opinion of course...
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
I would hope anyone who even brings up one pax in a Citabria can grasp the concept of that responsibility, let alone a commercial airline pilot...
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/opinions/garrison-germanwings-crash/index.html
A Flying Magazine contributor certainly doesn't think so.
xargos
Well-Known Member
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/opinions/garrison-germanwings-crash/index.html
A Flying Magazine contributor certainly doesn't think so.
Someone help me out with this one: how can you not forget and forget at the same time? Pilot is not a dolphin and cannot put half of their brain to sleep while the other half does the usual job of flying the plane.
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
Just wait until the first FFDO goes postal. THEN we will get some changes. Whoa boy.
WayKulJr
Well-Known Member
I see where you're going, but seriously... This guy was a certified pilot and learned to fly a French airliner with obviously some amount of proficiency but he doesn't get that there are souls on board or the gravity of what he set out to do? I ain't buying it. Why didn't he just run into a big truck on the way to the airport?
We just can't rationalize the twisted thinking. It's not possible.
PhilosopherPilot
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Meh, maybe. I was hired with 650 hours at my regional. It seemed like a big deal to be flying 50 peeps around back then. I took it very seriously, and still do. I really don't think his experience played much, if any, role in this. Mentally unstable people do crazy things that don't make sense. We try to make sense of them, but that's impossible.
PeanuckleCRJ
Poodle Wrangler
*edit*... who did Jet U. Do you really wonder why no one will hire you other than VA?
(I agree on the low time thing overall... very very ironic coming the likes of you, the master of burning bridges)
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Wow man, really?
This usually isn't like you. Have I said something to offend you? If so I do apologize.
Yes I was jetU and I was a low-time hire at a regional. Maybe I shouldn't have post that worded the way I did. I'm just saying that it didn't sound like he cared one bit about the 149 passengers/crew, his responsibility, and it could be because he was so new at this that, maybe for *him*, it hadn't sunk in yet. Just a guess, nothing official. Because I couldn't see why he'd do what he did, instead of just taking himself.
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Screaming_Emu
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/opinions/garrison-germanwings-crash/index.html
A Flying Magazine contributor certainly doesn't think so.
I think his article is true for pilots...but not for (most) professional pilots.
We aren't perfect, there certainly are issues out there. But I can't think of a single airline pilot I know who wouldn't rather perish in a fiery crash than have harm come to even a single passenger on their flight.
Unnecessary comments prior to edit. Rethink before posting next time. Or simply don't post.
'Nuff said.
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PhilosopherPilot
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Yikes man. You been hittin' the whiskey?
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Obviously ex-girlfriends can't always be trusted. But......
An ex-girlfriend of the co-pilot who deliberately crashed a Germanwings plane, killing all 150 on board, has told how he vowed to "do something" history would remember him by, according to reports.
Andreas Lubitz, 27, had hidden a sick note declaring him unfit to work on the day of the disaster before boarding the Dusseldorf-bound Airbus A320 and piloting it into a mountain in the southern French Alps.
According to German newspaper Bild, an ex-girlfriend of Lubitz, identified only as Mary W, said he had told her last year: "One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3015627/Pilot-planned-place-history.html
An ex-girlfriend of the co-pilot who deliberately crashed a Germanwings plane, killing all 150 on board, has told how he vowed to "do something" history would remember him by, according to reports.
Andreas Lubitz, 27, had hidden a sick note declaring him unfit to work on the day of the disaster before boarding the Dusseldorf-bound Airbus A320 and piloting it into a mountain in the southern French Alps.
According to German newspaper Bild, an ex-girlfriend of Lubitz, identified only as Mary W, said he had told her last year: "One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3015627/Pilot-planned-place-history.html
That was my contention with regards to a post saying that having someone up front would be the moral imperative likely preventing someone from carrying something like this out. I contend that someone determined to do something like this has long lost their moral compass already, and an extra person there....likely an FA....isn't going to make a difference, just one minor obstacle to take out in some way, to ensure the plan goes through.
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
Ugh. WTF?
PhilosopherPilot
Well-Known Member
True. And I've often feared the FA could be a threat when they are up there. Anyone already inside the flight deck could be a serious threat, even if they aren't in immediate control.
Agreed. Goes back to the idea of trying to apply logic to a situation where the person involved is long past "our" logic, and are on a path all their own in terms of what they see as right or wrong. The moral compass long since off course.