German Wings A320 crashed

It won't be a guaranteed defense. It does make it the one person that all he/she has to do is unlock the door. This would at least give the remaining pilot a fighting chance by entering the flight deck.

But I do agree that if it indeed is a pilot hell bent on doing this, the flight is in serious trouble. Our system relies on trust within.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Obviously ex-girlfriends can't always be trusted. But......


An ex-girlfriend of the co-pilot who deliberately crashed a Germanwings plane, killing all 150 on board, has told how he vowed to "do something" history would remember him by, according to reports.

Andreas Lubitz, 27, had hidden a sick note declaring him unfit to work on the day of the disaster before boarding the Dusseldorf-bound Airbus A320 and piloting it into a mountain in the southern French Alps.

According to German newspaper Bild, an ex-girlfriend of Lubitz, identified only as Mary W, said he had told her last year: "One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-3015627/Pilot-planned-place-history.html
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Daily News. Ahh.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It won't be a guaranteed defense. It does make it the one person that all he/she has to do is unlock the door. This would at least give the remaining pilot a fighting chance by entering the flight deck.
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That person will just be the first target taken out. The pilot on the flight deck willing to do this is going to kill that person anyway, so whether he kills him/her right then and there first before taking the plane down, or killing them at the same time as everyone else in back were they not there on the flight deck, is really six or one-half dozen.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
*edit*... who did Jet U. Do you really wonder why no one will hire you other than VA?

(I agree on the low time thing overall... very very ironic coming the likes of you, the master of burning bridges)
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Edited. Do you even lift, bro? :)
 
MikeD said:
That person will just be the first target taken out. The pilot on the flight deck willing to do this is going to kill that person anyway, so whether he kills him/her right then and there first before taking the plane down, or killing them at the same time as everyone else in back were they not there on the flight deck, is really six or one-half dozen.
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Yeah. But this scrawny 27 yr old? I think quite a few of our 60 yr old grannies would whoop his ass and probably teach him some Airbus table manners or two while they're at it. ;)
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yeah. But this scrawny 27 yr old? I think quite a few of our 60 yr old grannies would whoop his ass and probably teach him some Airbus table manners or two while they're at it. ;)
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With the element of surprise, scrawny or young or whatever, wouldn't matter. The person determined to do this would account for this minor issue, and the FA there with him would hardly be expecting it.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Yeah. But this scrawny 27 yr old? I think quite a few of our 60 yr old grannies would whoop his ass and probably teach him some Airbus table manners or two while they're at it. ;)
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Nah, I just think it's a statistical anomaly. It's rare, it's happened before, it'll happen again, but you might win the Powerball three or four times before you're even in the threat circle.

The "cure" is way worse than any "disease".
 
Derg said:
Nah, I just think it's a statistical anomaly. It's rare, it's happened before, it'll happen again, but you might win the Powerball three or four times before you're even in the threat circle.

The "cure" is way worse than any "disease".
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Yup. No need to go blowin things all out of proportion. It's happened, what, 4 times since 1982? Ill take those odds. Any day.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Yup. No need to go blowin things all out of proportion. It's happened, what, 4 times since 1982? Ill take those odds. Any day.
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We understand that. Problem is, a layperson flying public, combined with a sensationalistic and ratings-based media. Not a good combo to have to counter.

Pretty soon, we will likely be seeing a Dan Rather-like "fake, but accurate" story.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That's true. But correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true in all historical context of Egypt 990, Silk Air, Mozambique LAM, and now this GermanWings, when one pilot left to use the bathroom there was no one else left. Just the rogue pilot locked in the cockpit. I do agree with you that one extra person in the cockpit (FA) in all likeliness can't do too much, but just going by historical references here it does seem this crazies have done their deeds when they were locked alone. Now having a 2-person at all time flight deck isn't going to solve all problems, but it's still better than just leaving one guy alone up there.

As mentioned there's no real solution. Our system is based on trust within. This is one of those uber-rare cases that trust was destroyed.
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I think that's been more how those particular events transpired, rather than the only way they would've worked. Who knows, really.
 
The media I can understand but the professional pilots on CNN's expert panel are also adding fuel to the fire. Especially that retired pilot who was AA's first female chief pilot. Holy cow. Talk about not listening to the question and running in a total 'nuther direction.

I still can't figure out how a cockpit camera with live streaming would have stopped this. Apparently this is a suggested solution in the media o_O
 
Most of the pilots you see on television aren't necessarily there to spread truthfulness 100% of the time, there is a certain element of "OMG, I'm gonna be on TV!"

There is a pilot that wrote a few books which kind of sounded like "bitter apples" about some internal things happening at the pilots employer that got marked as "an expert" that goes on television and says all sorts of strange things. Then announces, on social media, "Wooo! Getting interviewed by (whatever) ! Tune in tonight! This is awesome!"

Hmm….

Meanwhile, the pilot doesn't have a lick more experience or insight than the average pilot standing in line at the A Terminal Chick Fil A.

Those that know, aren't talking.

Those that REALLY don't know, are whoring themselves out to the media.

Even Bill Waldock, the guy who figuratively was there during the Thomas Selfridge crash, isn't saying a lot beyond "Ahh, interesting…"

Oh, but some random pilot who some news anchor met in a bar years ago that just got off sitting reserve in Denver knows all about it? Puleeeeeeeeeze.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
The media I can understand but the professional pilots on CNN's expert panel are also adding fuel to the fire. Especially that retired pilot who was AA's first female chief pilot. Holy cow. Talk about not listening to the question and running in a total 'nuther direction.
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I have a feeling it's

Me: "hi, my name is Screaming_Emu and I'd like to be your aviation consultant. I'm very factual and unbiased. I don't like to jump to conclusions unless I have facts to back them up."

CNN: "I think we're going to go in a different direction."

I would make very boring TV. But I wouldn't be wrong.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I have a feeling it's

Me: "hi, my name is Screaming_Emu and I'd like to be your aviation consultant. I'm very factual and unbiased. I don't like to jump to conclusions unless I have facts to back them up."

CNN: "I think we're going to go in a different direction."
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Cable news isn't about news and distribution of relevant, factual information. It's about filling the dead time in between commercials with enough psychologial solyent green to keep you watching until the next round of commercials.
 
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