Delta Disqualifiers

Ya'll are missing the point. It's not "Are you good enough to do the flying for mainline?" when it comes to regional pilots. after a few years in the trenches, everyone is qualified. It's "Are you a problem child, or a person no one wants to be cooped up with for 3-4 days."
Which could be and should be determined during the interview process. I work at CPZ. I passed the DELTA interview process. I took the same tests and answered the same questions without,"GASP" a 4 year degree...
Back in the last controller hiring frenzy post strike, the FAA hired a bunch of folks. Many had no degree, nor is one required to do the job.

However, soon after that management realized there is quite a difference in the degreed vs non degreed mentality. That was why the college training stuff was borne, they wanted people with degrees and the mentality that went with it.

I see it here. The east pilot group is about 75% 4 year holders, 25% <4 year. Contrast that with the west group, 25% have degrees the rest do not. The west guys tend to be fairly rough around the edges, putting it nicely. Huge difference in the demeanor of a west vs east crew, from pilots to FAs even.

That's probably why DL wants a degree. It's an easy screen and while yes, those west guys can fly airplanes as good or better than the east, there is a big difference in personality between the groups.
Yet the airplanes that the west pilots fly are not falling out of the sky like so much aluminum rain,. Your argument is invalid.... And FWIW, the west crews I have jumpseated with were alot more fun and laid back than any east crew.... Those guys are just flat out angry. I actually had an east Captain chew my ass in front of passengers while deplaning because he thought I was jumpseating on his airplane without asking permission when I was actually non-reving. A real piece of work that guy...
 
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I passed the DELTA interview process. I took the same tests and answered the same questions without,"GASP" a 4 year degree..

Nice try, but no.

The Delta hiring folks didn't pick your application out of the pile to even take the trip to ATL, which is a significant aspect of the interview process. You didn't sit in a room with Delta HR and Delta pilots and answer their questions for an hour while they poured over your application...nor did you take the second-day MMPI and visit the psych afterward.

Just because you took and passed a battery of tests that are an element of the Delta interview process, that is in no way the same thing as "passing" the full monty at a different company.
 
No, it's not. Yes, I'm serious.

Considering you joined the website nine years ago, you've could have put it on "slow boil " for almost a decade.

I'm not trying to be a penis, and I really want to work with people who want to work with me and are action-driven rather than "Well, about that, let me tell you a story".

I can get mad and make speeches about how there's a Chuck Yeager out there that didn't finish junior college, but it won't amount to a hill of beans.

In the meantime, at the major level, it continues to be a highly competitive environment and the idea that some of us (not saying you have this) that the competitive minimums are going to vanish or one is going to get acquired/merged into a job that he doesn't meet the basic qualifications for is pure fools gold.
 
Which could be, and should, be determined during the interview process. I work at CPZ. I passed the Delta (no caps) interview process. I took the same tests and answered the same questions without,"GASP," a 4 year degree. (improper use of ellipsis)

Yet the airplanes that the west pilots fly are not falling out of the sky like so much aluminum rain. (use a period or a comma, not both) Your argument is invalid. (sentence fragment, improper use of ellipsis) And, FWIW, the west crews I have jumpseated with were a lot (alot is not a word) more fun and laid back than any east crew. (improper use of ellipsis) Those guys are just flat out angry. I actually had an east Captain chew my ass in front of passengers while deplaning because he thought I was jumpseating on his airplane without asking permission when I was actually non-reving. A real piece of work, that guy. (again with the ellipsis shtick)

You might be able to fly the airplane, but consider proof reading your posts. I understand that this is the internet, but if you're going to bag on the degree requirement in your first paragraph, don't make up your own rules of grammar while doing so.
 
Which isn't going to be determined by silly criteria like how many years
Nice try, but no.

The Delta hiring folks didn't pick your application out of the pile to even take the trip to ATL, which is a significant aspect of the interview process. You didn't sit in a room with Delta HR and Delta pilots and answer their questions for an hour while they poured over your application...nor did you take the second-day MMPI and visit the psych afterward.

Just because you took and passed a battery of tests that are an element of the Delta interview process, that is in no way the same thing as "passing" the full monty at a different company.
Here we go with the Delta elitism again...Yet I am permitted to fly DELTA paying passengers around on 76 seat jets on mainline stage lengths on a daily basis. For Christs sake the flight attendants say "Thank you for flying DELTA AIRLINES!" Much respect to you but unless you are advocating that there ARE two levels of safety your argument also, is invalid...
 
Here we go with the Delta elitism again...Yet I am permitted to fly DELTA paying passengers around on 76 seat jets on mainline stage lengths on a daily basis. For Christs sake the flight attendants say "Thank you for flying DELTA AIRLINES!" Much respect to you but unless you are advocating that there ARE two levels of safety your argument also, is invalid...
There's a space between Air and Lines.

(duh)
 
Here we go with the Delta elitism again...Yet I am permitted to fly DELTA paying passengers around on 76 seat jets on mainline stage lengths on a daily basis. For Christs sake the flight attendants say "Thank you for flying DELTA AIRLINES!" Much respect to you but unless you are advocating that there ARE two levels of safety your argument also, is invalid...

You really don't want to work for Delta because there's a glaring error in the above paragraph that even starry-eyed high schoolers that want to fly the mad dog out of ATL are going to catch.
 
You really don't want to work for Delta because there's a glaring error in the above paragraph that even starry-eyed high schoolers that want to fly the mad dog out of ATL are going to catch.

There is more than one glaring error.
 
I know, but it'd be "elitist" of me to (a) point out the others and (b) not throw myself onto the altar of internet opinion by bemoaning my carriers hiring practices publicly. :)

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Here we go with the Delta elitism again...

Uh, no. I don't work at Delta, so how in the hell could I be guilty of "Delta Elitism"?

You said, "I passed the DELTA interview process", and I pointed out that you only passed a single component of the Delta interview process. You can no more say you passed the Delta process than someone who has passed a PPL checkride can say "I passed the ATP checkride" because on both checkrides they were required to safely takeoff, land, and perform stalls and slow flight and steep turns.

That is fact, not opinion. You interviewed at Compass, and were hired by Compass...no more, no less. It has nothing to do with elitism, or two levels of safety, or any of that other stuff you are banging the drum against.
 
The problem that I'm seeing is that if he feels we're a bunch of double-breasted elitists, why is he upset about not meeting the basic requirements?

I probably have to be some PhD, Esq, Dr., DDS, DC and be alma mater of an Ivy League school in order to qualify for a high end country club, but I'm not about to spent more than a moment worrying about it.
 
Look, I honestly have no chance of working for any major. As @jtrain609 so graciously pointed out, my grammar apparently sucks. I'm old and I only have a two year degree from way back in 1987. I haven't done much writing since nor am I much of a typist My only wish was to be at least concidered for mainline job for doing the same exact job a mainline pilot does and it is frustrating that I never will be and that is my problem and no one else's. If you guys knew what I have been through and how hard I had to work in order to get this point in my career some of you might even be impressed. I am sorry if I offended anyone and I never meant to come across as a petulant child as this was never my intent. I suppose I was looking for a bit of empathy. I am kinda a passionate guy and I guess it came out in some of my posts. @Derg , elitist was a poor choice of words. on my part. I have been on many Delta jump seats and have always been treated graciously. Again apologies and respect to you all.
 
It's alright man, we all get frustrated.

Knock out a couple more years of distance learning through some online school, "check that box" and capture some opportunity my friend! :)

I know it's a pain in the ass and all those other things that frustrate you, but we're more like Tom Brokaw during the NBC Nightly News, we're not making the news, some of us are here to help you navigate it.
 
Look, I honestly have no chance of working for any major.

I think you're underestimating your chances significantly. Age and (lack of a?) degree probably aren't going to be the barriers you think they are, especially the deeper we get into the current hiring boom.

I have buds who are in training classes at two of the three legacies with classmates in their mid-50s.
 
Look, I honestly have no chance of working for any major. As @jtrain609 so graciously pointed out, my grammar apparently sucks. I'm old and I only have a two year degree from way back in 1987. I haven't done much writing since nor am I much of a typist My only wish was to be at least concidered for mainline job for doing the same exact job a mainline pilot does and it is frustrating that I never will be and that is my problem and no one else's. If you guys knew what I have been through and how hard I had to work in order to get this point in my career some of you might even be impressed. I am sorry if I offended anyone and I never meant to come across as a petulant child as this was never my intent. I suppose I was looking for a bit of empathy. I am kinda a passionate guy and I guess it came out in some of my posts. @Derg , elitist was a poor choice of words. on my part. I have been on many Delta jump seats and have always been treated graciously. Again apologies and respect to you all.

We've hired guys up to 60 years old this last round. Knock out those last 2 years! Heck, you've got a guaranteed interview at your place of establishment... that's more than half the battle taken care of for you already.
 
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