Airline Pilot Lifespan

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Where was this? Are you sure it wasn't a G1000 Cessna 172?

Flight schools near me require 1 hr ground school and 1.5 hr C172 for a regular checkout.

But for a G1000 Cessna 172, they require 4 hrs ground school and then 4 hrs in the plane for a VFR checkout or 6-8 hrs for an IFR checkout.
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Seriously? After about hour two, I am not sure what I could find to teach about....
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Seriously? After about hour two, I am not sure what I could find to teach about....
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In a G1000? Just from looking at that thing, in terms of features and capabilities I'd say in some aspects it is more advanced than the A320. WAAS w/ LPV capability, terrain with topographic representation, etc. There are so many knobs and soft push buttons that I'm sure it would take a couple hours to take it all in.


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I could be wrong on the G1000 VFR checkout. On one page it says 2 hrs flight for VFR checkout and on another it says 4 hr checkout for VFR.
 
Yeah that seems a little silly. It doesn't take that long to show someone how to use the important features. If you can take me to the practice area, show me a few maneuvers, and show me some safe landings, you're good to go in my book. Shouldn't take more than an hour or 2. IFR in the G1000 would take significantly longer with someone without any Garmin experience. If you're comfortable with a 430/530 should be relatively painless.
 
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My local schools have regular C172S and for about $15/hr more G1000 C172s. I'm debating just taking the plunge and going glass. Glass is what I already fly anyway + TIS advantage + huge MFD, both of which would be extremely handy in the NYC metro area (especially doing the Hudson corridor).
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
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My local schools have regular C172S and for about $15/hr more G1000 C172s. I'm debating just taking the plunge and going glass. Glass is what I already fly anyway + TIS advantage + huge MFD, both of which would be extremely handy in the NYC metro area (especially doing the Hudson corridor).
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Go with G1000. It's a great system and immensely capable.
 
word302 said:
Yeah. Some places obviously don't want repeat business.
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Or they want only primary/advanced students (aka instruction only, not regular renters). There is one school near me run by an ex-AA retired pilot and even though they have a bunch of Cessna 172 P/R/SP/G1000 and Cirruses, their policy for new renters is they can only checkout in a Cirrus SR20 or SR22. Of course, you have to do the full checkout of 4-6 hrs ground instruction and 10 hrs dual-given in a Cirrus. And then have to fly 5 hrs every 90 days......

Some of these schools are money-making scams. They don't want renters because they know the big money is in getting students/pilots pursuing certificates and/or ratings.
 
word302 said:
Sounds more than reasonable. Last school I worked at had a 90 day policy. Recheck was just a few laps around the pattern.
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I don't agree. If I'm flying professionally day in and out and want to take a 172 once or twice a year I shouldn't have to go up regularly with an instructor. A year check out at minimum.
 
scooter2525 said:
I don't agree. If I'm flying professionally day in and out and want to take a 172 once or twice a year I shouldn't have to go up regularly with an instructor. A year check out at minimum.
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My insurance company required 5 hours dual since I had 0 in type. Nothing else is required except that I maintain any currency required by the regs.
 
scooter2525 said:
I don't agree. If I'm flying professionally day in and out and want to take a 172 once or twice a year I shouldn't have to go up regularly with an instructor. A year check out at minimum.
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Sorry. I guess we'll have to agree disagree on this one. I checked out plenty of airline guys over the couple years that I instructed. They were usually the ones that required a little extra time. They were all glad to pay me for it too. If your landings are consistent were talking about .4 or so, not too much to ask for in my opinion. A Cessna is a far cry from what most professionals are flying daily.
 
Besides that, if you take it out 4 or 5 times a year you never have to fly with an instructor. These are insurance minimums by the way. If you want the gap to be larger, the rental cost would go up to cover higher premiums.
 
word302 said:
Sorry. I guess we'll have to agree disagree on this one. I checked out plenty of airline guys over the couple years that I instructed. They were usually the ones that required a little extra time. They were all glad to pay me for it too. If your landings are consistent were talking about .4 or so, not too much to ask for in my opinion. A Cessna is a far cry from what most professionals are flying daily.
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Not all professionals fly airliners. Up until this past year I've been flying GA sized aircraft. I've done two check outs at different places and I would go back to either if I didn't need to checkout again. So they are losing business because of those policies. I understand the need to protect their property, but having some common sense about it would help with business.
 
Again, you have to think about the policies these guys have to carry. There's a fine line between too little coverage and pricing yourself out of business.
 
word302 said:
Again, you have to think about the policies these guys have to carry. There's a fine line between too little coverage and pricing yourself out of business.
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Can't imagine there isn't a way to come up with some basic one time renters insurance add on. Like renting a car, you can add additional insurance. Either way, the checkout thing is keeping me from renting more regularly. Which isn't often.
 
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