Airline Pilot Lifespan

I think when most people think of buying an airplane, they're not thinking about an old fabric airplane. Hell, few pilots have ever even touched a taildragger (I know I haven't). So yes, there are cheaper options, but probably not what most people are interested in. Even a 152 is less plane than what most people would be interested in buying.
 
I think when most people think of buying an airplane, they're not thinking about an old fabric airplane. Hell, few pilots have ever even touched a taildragger (I know I haven't). So yes, there are cheaper options, but probably not what most people are interested in. Even a 152 is less plane than what most people would be interested in buying.
Well maybe they should expand their horizons. There's more than Cessna and Cirrus. Cheapest nose dragger that I'm aware of is a pa-22. You can pick them up sub 20k in good condition all day. The -108 version can be found under 15k at times. The 172s with O-300s on them can usually be picked up in the 20k range as well.
I mean it's like saying most people want a Cadillac and because they can't afford a Cadillac they can't afford any car.
 
As @Vector pointed out, it's a lot more complicated than that. As I've been researching which plane to buy, I've learned a lot about what the costs are for these planes besides just purchase price and fuel. For example, I'm looking at a Mooney M20C that is in excellent shape. It's going for $51k, which is a pretty decent price for a plane in such good condition with brand new interior and avionics. Know what the guy paid for the last annual? Ten thousand dollars. Now, to be fair, there was a lot of extra work that had to be done last year to fix some deferred maintenance issues. But I've found in my research that most Mooney owners end up paying a bill that big at least every few years. When it comes time for a factory overhaul of the engine (about every 2-3k hours), you're dropping $35k.

Even take a much more simple airplane like a common C172. Your annual is going to cost you about $1,500-$2,000 in most places in the country. Engine overhaul is going to cost you $25k every couple thousand hours. If you want hangar space you're paying $250/mo for shared space or $350-$500 for your own T-hangar. Tie-downs are cheap at $50-$100, but a lot of people who buy their own plane don't want it kept out in the elements. Then there's the insurance. It's cheaper for me because I've got an ATP and tons of complex time, but the average private pilot gets raped on insurance premiums. Expect $1,500 for a simple C172, and it goes on up into the stratosphere for more complex planes. And then some airplanes have ADs that have to be addressed periodically. I was looking at a Grumman Tiger, and if they still have the original prop on them, they have to be inspected every 100 hours. Etc.

Realistically, owning a simple airplane like a 172 is about a $10k proposition just to fly 100 hours per year (not including loan payments). It'll cost you about $4k just to sit on the ramp doing nothing. Granted, that is less expensive than renting, but it's still awfully pricey for a middle class guy making $50k before taxes.
I was looking at Mooneys as well. I came to the same conclusion. It's too bad, they make a great cross country machine.
 
If you just want to be in the air while burning gas, there are cheap ways to do it, but if you're like me and want some utility out of it (get point to point faster than driving, take 1 or even 2 adults with me) the prices escalate rapidly. Given how utterly archaic the technology is on GA aircraft, I don't get it.
 
If you just want to be in the air while burning gas, there are cheap ways to do it, but if you're like me and want some utility out of it (get point to point faster than driving, take 1 or even 2 adults with me) the prices escalate rapidly. Given how utterly archaic the technology is on GA aircraft, I don't get it.
Liability and handcrafted parts.
 
I was looking at Mooneys as well. I came to the same conclusion. It's too bad, they make a great cross country machine.

I'm still leaning towards buying it. Because of the better speed (I'll use it mostly as a cross-country airplane), I would only need to fly it about 40 hours a year for it to be cheaper than renting. It gets a good 20 knots true over what the rental plane would get at the same or lower fuel burn. That makes a big difference over the course of a year. Moving at 150 knots and sipping 9.5 gph is pretty good, even with the occasional annual from hell.
 
Why not get an E model? 20 more hp and the costs should be identical. Prop hub AD is the only drawback I can think of.
 
I haven't found one in as good as shape with all of the updated avionics. The C I'm looking at has autopilot with alt hold and GPS/NAV couple, Garmin 430, all brand new six pack instruments, interior only three years old, etc. It looks like a new plane. Granted, I need to get a closer look at it and have a mechanic check it out, but an old Mooney with the cheap manual gear and so many upgrades and updates is hard to come by from what I've seen.
 
I haven't found one in as good as shape with all of the updated avionics. The C I'm looking at has autopilot with alt hold and GPS/NAV couple, Garmin 430, all brand new six pack instruments, interior only three years old, etc. It looks like a new plane. Granted, I need to get a closer look at it and have a mechanic check it out, but an old Mooney with the cheap manual gear and so many upgrades and updates is hard to come by from what I've seen.
Sounds like a Nancy plane.
 
I haven't found one in as good as shape with all of the updated avionics. The C I'm looking at has autopilot with alt hold and GPS/NAV couple, Garmin 430, all brand new six pack instruments, interior only three years old, etc. It looks like a new plane. Granted, I need to get a closer look at it and have a mechanic check it out, but an old Mooney with the cheap manual gear and so many upgrades and updates is hard to come by from what I've seen.
Check to make sure it has not had a belly up. Put it on jacks and swing the doors up.
 
My airline is like 67 from data I have. And even that is rounded up. :/

I have a massive spreadsheet, but it includes some personal data so I simply can't post it without quite a bit of work, but the data up to 2011 shows:

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I know I'm grave digging this thread, but I was discussing with my friend today about the life expectancy of airline pilots. Do you happen to have a statistic of the average age of airline pilots who DID make it to retirement age of 65? Just curious.
 
Eat when you're hungry.

Don't eat crap ALL the time.

Sleep when you're tired.

Take a walk once in a while.

I see all kinds of guys and gals do all kinds of wacky stuff. Try to stay awake, eat only foods that don't cast a shadow on the ground (WTF is that all about?)...whatever.

I would say that blowing off sleep is the number one offender. I don't get it...you're tired...sleep. This isn't junior high where you ask people to hit you in the stomach as hard as they can to prove how he-man you are. I look at people who run themselves ragged and they age like 3 years for every one. Check out a crew who's been doing long-haul for a couple years and it looks like a casting call for the Crypt Keeper.

I like 9 hours myself. 8 is OK. 7 is starting a debt with the sleep bank that usually has to be made up 2 for 1 at some point.

Richman's Rule for a Long Life: Just be chill, get lots of sleep and do everything in moderation, including exercise.

The GA thing is more than just the cost...which, granted, can be substantial. It's also a pretty big time investment, and if your significant others aren't into it, then it's going to pinch somewhere. With kids in 100 activities and mom's working, something has got to give, and the best dad is going to do these days is hang out with his Harley compatible with his like kind at the "BikR DadZ"at Applebee's on Thursdays.

If you can't do a comprehensive 172 checkout in 90 minutes, someone, IMHO, needs more training.

I blow a lot of coin on my Bo. Probably $10k a year, easy, before I turn a blade. But it's only money...I sure ain't leaving it to the cats...well, not all of it.

Richman
 
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