Cut it out before we lose KCM

z987k said:
Any chance to ridicule the hilariousness of TSA security theater. I'm down.
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Not a problem.

This isn't aimed at you, just a general frustration with the issue.

But honestly, we keep throwing them nice slow pitch softballs like "The Superman","Why can't Mr. Jinxy come through KCM?" and "Oops, I forgot that was in my bag" that we need to start policing ourselves before it gets to the point that the TSA to make a reaction.

Is easy to bitch about the TSA. It's tremendously hard to look into the mirror without taking at least some of the responsibility for this.

I think it starts with realizing that we're not special. Yes, we can arrive at the jet, completely naked and don't need contraband to inflict damage. Whoopty flippin' doo, no one cares but for ourselves.

We were able to start a program in order to expedite crewmembers that are on their way to work. Carrying multiple bags though (probably from someone the person is traveling with), approaching in civilian clothes (knowing full well that you're going to potentially get selected and not have the courtesy of non-compliant liquid sizes) and things like attempting to take animals through (knowing full well you're not going to be on duty with an animal) are issues that we should find the people and ridicule the hell out of them.
 
z987k said:
Any chance to ridicule the hilariousness of TSA security theater. I'm down.
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Until they "catch" you and you receive the appropriate level of "punishment."

Don't ruin your career by being stupid.
 
Derg said:
Not a problem.

This isn't aimed at you, just a general frustration with the issue.

But honestly, we keep throwing them nice slow pitch softballs like "The Superman","Why can't Mr. Jinxy come through KCM?" and "Oops, I forgot that was in my bag" that we need to start policing ourselves before it gets to the point that the TSA to make a reaction.

Is easy to bitch about the TSA. It's tremendously hard to look into the mirror without taking at least some of the responsibility for this.

I think it starts with realizing that we're not special. Yes, we can arrive at the jet, completely naked and don't need contraband to inflict damage. Whoopty flippin' doo, no one cares but for ourselves.

We were able to start a program in order to expedite crewmembers that are on their way to work. Carrying multiple bags though (probably from someone the person is traveling with), approaching in civilian clothes (knowing full well that you're going to potentially get selected and not have the courtesy of non-compliant liquid sizes) and things like attempting to take animals through (knowing full well you're not going to be on duty with an animal) are issues that we should find the people and ridicule the hell out of them.
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Dress code for the jumpseat is business casual or uniform. Uniform. Check.
 
This is how I view KCM: it's the same as going through the regular line, but without actually waiting (most of the time) and a dice roll to see if you get your stuff checked. Fail your "bag check" (yes, I'm really showing my geek side here) and you have to go to screening. Whatever clothes you're in it's exactly like you're going through the line and waiting your turn at the x-eay machine in a station without KCM.

Interesting that they came out with the "no superman" thing. Going from MEM-ORD with my wife once, I was in street clothes and forgot about the uber dangerous bottle of conditioner in my bag. The TSA agent basically TOLD me "Just go put your uniform on, and you can keep it." Seriously. Now, knowing the rules better than they did, I opted to lose the $1.50 bottle of conditioner rather than play "You Bet Your Career" in case someone was watching or in case it was some Ackbar-esque trap.

Also, it isn't just FAs screwing it up. Was behind a United Captain going through KCM in Orlando.....WITH HIS FAMILY. Yep. He was trying to convince the TSA agent that he could go through KCM with his family. Dude, we know the line in MCO is hell, but YOU should know you're straight up lying to this guy at the computer. He was holding up the rest of us people trying to get to work/commutes/deadheads. Someone finally called him out (cough cough) and he sheepishly started the screening process all over again.
 
Just your friendly reminder (bump!) NOT to superman if you are selected for screening at KCM...

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...1f&node=pt49.9.1540&rgn=div5#se49.9.1540_1105
§1540.105 Security responsibilities of employees and other persons.
(a) No person may:

(1) Tamper or interfere with, compromise, modify, attempt to circumvent, or cause a person to tamper or interfere with, compromise, modify, or attempt to circumvent any security system, measure, or procedure implemented under this subchapter.

(2) Enter, or be present within, a secured area, AOA, SIDA or sterile area without complying with the systems, measures, or procedures being applied to control access to, or presence or movement in, such areas.

(3) Use, allow to be used, or cause to be used, any airport-issued or airport-approved access medium or identification medium that authorizes the access, presence, or movement of persons or vehicles in secured areas, AOA's, or SIDA's in any other manner than that for which it was issued by the appropriate authority under this subchapter.

(b) The provisions of paragraph (a) of this section do not apply to conducting inspections or tests to determine compliance with this part or 49 U.S.C. Subtitle VII authorized by:

(1) TSA, or

(2) The airport operator, aircraft operator, or foreign air carrier, when acting in accordance with the procedures described in a security program approved by TSA.
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L-16B said:
Can I take a unopened bottle of vodka in my bag through KCM if in uniform?
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A lot of us would be in trouble. Not saying I carry a flask around, but uh...I know a lot of folks do. Additionally, I know of a number of FAs who bring their own bottle(s) of wine.

Or, was your question not serious?
 
surreal1221 said:
A lot of us would be in trouble. Not saying I carry a flask around, but uh...I know a lot of folks do. Additionally, I know of a number of FAs who bring their own bottle(s) of wine.

Or, was your question not serious?
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Totally serious. In airbus training for another month and no liquor store by our hotel. Can't survive without vodka on the rocks.
 
Geez...I'll let someone else wade into that can of worms because I absolutely want no part in it. I'm quite content knowing that certain crew members bring their own personal stash of alcohol on their overnights rather than getting gouged by hotel bars. And this is coming from the 7 year FO that will spend more on his crew than many 15 year Captains when he goes out with his crew.

SpiceWeasel said:
@surreal1221 he is just messing with you. Of course you can.
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O I C.
 
I am led to believe that he wasn't 100% serious in the statement regarding his ability to survive without his choice liquor.

Or are we questioning why a man is drinkng clear liquor? Cause if thats why, then add me to the like list...
 
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