Allegiant Airlines

ATN_Pilot said:
Unfortunately, the CAL SCABs did get off without so much as a fine. It was the result of a judge's award preventing any sort of retribution against the SCABs. The CAL strike was unusual due to the fact that ALPA was never officially elected under an NMB election. Bob Six just voluntarily recognized ALPA in the early days, and that stood until Lorenzo broke the union in '85. The "Order and Award" that year returned the CAL pilots, but without ALPA and without their CBA, and without the ability for any SCAB to be treated differently than any striker. Years later when the legitimate CAL pilots wanted back into ALPA, ALPA's only choice was to bring none of them back, or accept them all back with no fines or penalties against the SCABs.
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That's right...I knew there was a 'however' somewhere in there why they weren't brought up under Article 8.
 
Seggy said:
Now wait a second. You need to understand the context and the emotions of those out on the picket line of a strike. They are risking everything for the betterment of their profession. Thousands of Eastern and Continental Pilots lost everything in the 1980s, dozens commuted suicide as a result of that loss, it's an emotional experience, so actions like that may be taken by folks who normally wouldn't do that. So don't get on that high horse here.

Also, let's not forget many police officers are members of a union so they may not work to hard to find those who put trash on a scabs lawn.
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"...dozens committed suicide..."

Wow. Didn't know that.
 
SteveC said:
"...dozens committed suicide..."

Wow. Didn't know that.
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Yep.

From what full term strikers from both airlines have told me, it happened.

There were A LOT more that also developed heath problems that killed them such as alcoholism/heart attacks at young age due to the stress of the strike.
 
Seggy said:
Now wait a second. You need to understand the context and the emotions of those out on the picket line of a strike. They are risking everything for the betterment of their profession. Thousands of Eastern and Continental Pilots lost everything in the 1980s, dozens commuted suicide as a result of that loss, it's an emotional experience, so actions like that may be taken by folks who normally wouldn't do that. So don't get on that high horse here.

Also, let's not forget many police officers are members of a union so they may not work to hard to find those who put trash on a scabs lawn.
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So that makes thier behavior acceptable? We're pilots, we do not let our actions be ruled by emotions.
 
av8tr1 said:
Well let's see, conspiracy, threatening, libel, slander, vandalism, arson. I'm sure there is more. All can rise to the level of feloney.
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I must not have paid that close of attention to this thread, did somebody threaten to burn down a scab's house or slash their tires? Because if folks are advocating for those kinds of activities, it's unacceptable.

So if folks are saying such things I must have missed it.
 
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Seggy said:
Now wait a second. You need to understand the context and the emotions of those out on the picket line of a strike. They are risking everything for the betterment of their profession. Thousands of Eastern and Continental Pilots lost everything in the 1980s, dozens commuted suicide as a result of that loss, it's an emotional experience, so actions like that may be taken by folks who normally wouldn't do that. So don't get on that high horse here.

Also, let's not forget many police officers are members of a union so they may not work to hard to find those who put trash on a scabs lawn.
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So those who choose not to strike are supposed to understand and make allowances for the behavior of those who do, but don't expect that courtesy to go the other way, is that what your saying?

And on a side note, you just made a perfect case for why public employees should not be allowed to unionize.
 
Phil Schuyler said:
So those who choose not to strike are supposed to understand and make allowances for the behavior of those who do, but don't expect that courtesy to go the other way, is that what your saying?

And on a side note, you just made a perfect case for why public employees should not be allowed to unionize.
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Most public employee unions are not allowed to strike.
 
Phil Schuyler said:
So those who choose not to strike are supposed to understand and make allowances for the behavior of those who do, but don't expect that courtesy to go the other way, is that what your saying?
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Are you saying some should choose to cross a picket line?

And on a side note, you just made a perfect case for why public employees should not be allowed to unionize.
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Pesky details.
 
Seggy said:
Now wait a second. You need to understand the context and the emotions of those out on the picket line of a strike. They are risking everything for the betterment of their profession. Thousands of Eastern and Continental Pilots lost everything in the 1980s, dozens commuted suicide as a result of that loss, it's an emotional experience, so actions like that may be taken by folks who normally wouldn't do that. So don't get on that high horse here.

Also, let's not forget many police officers are members of a union so they may not work to hard to find those who put trash on a scabs lawn.
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They have my sympathy, but isn't that what the free-market capitalistic economy dictates? If someone else can do it cheaper and agree to cheaper terms.............? Scabs are a byproduct of both the seniority system and free-market capitalism.

And I stand by my previous remark. Do not break the law. You make 100K+ so act like it. If someone else has crossed a picket line then hold your peace. As for the police being unionized yes they are but a crime is a crime. In this day and age of iPhones everywhere, an act of vandalism will probably be caught on tape and that's enough evidence.
 
Phil Schuyler said:
So those who choose not to strike are supposed to understand and make allowances for the behavior of those who do, but don't expect that courtesy to go the other way, is that what your saying?
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A union is a democracy. The majority decides the action to take within the confines of the Constitution & Bylaws of that union. The pilots at those carriers voted by overwhelming majorities to strike. Just as I can't choose to not pay taxes because I don't support Bush's wars, you can't choose to ignore the decisions of the majority while you're a member of a labor union.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
A union is a democracy. The majority decides the action to take within the confines of the Constitution & Bylaws of that union. The pilots at those carriers voted by overwhelming majorities to strike. Just as I can't choose to not pay taxes because I don't support Bush's wars, you can't choose to ignore the decisions of the majority while you're a member of a labor union.
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What does a company pilot who isn't part of the union do in these cases?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
As Seggy mentioned, most management pilots are members of the union.
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Ok, but lets say I am a standard run of the mill line pilot and I chose not to join the union, so I don't get to vote or be part of the democracy. What do I do?
 
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