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Maurus said:
The question that pops up is why even use the CQFOs then? If the people that qualify will automatically upgrade anyway it seems like a complete waste of time. Sounds to me like the CQFOs wont necessarily auto-upgrade with a system bid.

Does TSA require people to be off probation to fully upgrade?



Well the draw of the quick upgrade along with them being unable to return to their previous airline could still keep them in class. That would be the hope anyway.



Just saying that people don't trust TSA management. Going through the work of starting a new airline and getting a competing union started at that airline takes a ton of work and money to screw over labor. People don't forget that type of thing easily. Getting the agreement in writing for a CQFO class helps reduce the stress of forfeiting their seniority and longevity at another airline.
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They're using CQFOs because the contract prohibits "street captains" so the company and the union came to an agreement on it. They resurrected a long dormant program in the CQFO offer. There is language covering the pay in said agreement/MOU that @v1valarob posted a few posts ago. There is nothing prohibiting someone on probation from holding a full Captain award that I'm aware of.
 
etflies said:
They're using CQFOs because the contract prohibits "street captains" so the company and the union came to an agreement on it. They resurrected a long dormant program in the CQFO offer. There is language covering the pay in said agreement/MOU that @v1valarob posted a few posts ago. There is nothing prohibiting someone on probation from holding a full Captain award that I'm aware of.
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I know but if they will get an upgrade anyway while in initial or right out of training so why even use the program? There has to be a catch somewhere. It seems completely unnecessary otherwise.

The only thing I can think of is if they can shortcut the captain training with a properly upgraded CQFO and save money.
 
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Maurus said:
I know but if they will get an upgrade anyway while in initial or right out of training so why even use the program? There has to be a catch somewhere. It seems completely unnecessary otherwise.

The only thing I can think of is if they can shortcut the captain training with a properly upgraded CQFO and save money.
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I had a short talk with a senior TSA captain. They are doing the CQFO program so they don't have to give bonuses to all new hires, and they can end the program at any time.
 
Maurus said:
I know but if they will get an upgrade anyway while in initial or right out of training so why even use the program? There has to be a catch somewhere. It seems completely unnecessary otherwise.

The only thing I can think of is if they can shortcut the captain training with a properly upgraded CQFO and save money.
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The upgrade won't be immediate but *should* happen fast. This allows them to staff the left seat as airplanes arrive on property when they otherwise wouldn't be able to due to there not being enough FOs meeting the minima to upgrade at the moment. As the growth rate increases, CQFOs should hold full Captain bids but, like anything, that can always change. Does that answer your question or did I miss the mark with what you're going for? (Honest question)
 
Maurus said:
As long as Hulas is still there people will be cautious when dealing with Trans States Holdings. It doesn't matter if logic dictates otherwise.
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I don't think logic dictates otherwise. When dealing with people like this, their word is worth nothing at all.
 
SFCC/UND said:
Around 1,200
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Wouldn't a newly upgraded cqfo be basically on permanent reserve as FOs that are already there bypass them in seniority as they upgrade? Can they be downgraded again to FO? I'm just trying to figure out why someone with any amount of seniority would jump ship to there.
 
dvtpilot said:
Wouldn't a newly upgraded cqfo be basically on permanent reserve as FOs that are already there bypass them in seniority as they upgrade? Can they be downgraded again to FO? I'm just trying to figure out why someone with any amount of seniority would jump ship to there.
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The hope is that the cqfo will get their time before they are downgraded or sit reserve.
 
SFCC/UND said:
The hope is that the cqfo will get their time before they are downgraded or sit reserve.
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I'm sure CQFOs will sit reserve but I'm not sure any would be downgraded unless the company shrinks. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the contract can chime in.
 
geez there is some bad info here...

I'm in the first class...headed to sim this week...everything is as advertised....as for right v left seat thing....I only know the CA flows...I am aware of the FO flows....

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etflies said:
I'm sure CQFOs will sit reserve but I'm not sure any would be downgraded unless the company shrinks. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the contract can chime in.
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If you have questions about the contract I'll answer them.

CFIT99 said:
geez there is some bad info here...

I'm in the first class...headed to sim this week...everything is as advertised....as for right v left seat thing....I only know the CA flows...I am aware of the FO flows....

more to come later
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Maybe I'll catch you. I have a xr line and have to head to the sim for training.
 
Gonzo said:
Ask your buddy about Christopher Murray? He was one of the Eagle FOs that told me TSA wouldn't put anything in writing.
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The reason they wouldn't put it in writing for his mortgage lender is because if he failed training, they would make him a regular FO. I went to college with Chris and talked to him a great deal about the program. It was unfortunate that TSA couldn't help him as they missed out on hiring a good guy. CFIT and I are in the same class and everything is as advertised. The CQFO is a contractual program and the payrates are as well.
 
I notice on flightaware that Trans States hardly has any action much west of STL, and yet they're opening a DEN base shortly.. any idea what sort of routes will come out of DEN?
 
STS-41B said:
I notice on flightaware that Trans States hardly has any action much west of STL, and yet they're opening a DEN base shortly.. any idea what sort of routes will come out of DEN?
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Well all I know is that DEN hasn't worked out well for XJT as a base. My guess is since the planes are coming from us they will end up on similar routes as us. Basically no further west than SLC and most flying will go east which means crews become less useful due to FDP reductions. Basically, DEN isn't good for airlines that primarily operate in the eastern half of the US. I honestly wouldn't move out there for TSA (or XJT) because of this issue. Could be a short lived base.
 
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