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Honestly, yes.

If I was paid $40 mil and underperformed id have a really hard time with that. My material life would certainly be better, but I'd be beating myself up all the time because I wouldn't be living up to my own expectations.

Philosophy stuff aside, because BH was way more than competent just got dealt a terrible hand. Knowing that you have high career expectations and goals you aim to reach, realize you can't necessarily sit back and hope everything sorts itself out. Sometimes you have to make strategic moves or gambles as some would call it, to put yourself if a position to succeed. The regionals is a very turbulent environment. My advise, don't sit back and scrutinize. Improvise.
 
And let me expand upon my point slightly further.

I recall reading a good article that had some real research behind it that concluded there was a certain range of money, dependent upon the individual's age and family situation, that once you surpass, your happiness and sense of worth and satisfaction with your life in general no longer relies on money.

It might be that you continue to gain some amount of happiness with more money, but it no longer relies on it.

The amount was something like $60-80K for a single person and slightly more for a family income with kids but basically the gist of it is, beyond $100K, those who continue to be much happier with more money tend to be vastly more materialistic.

Of course it's not a blanket statement and obviously poor people can't be philanthropists like wealthy can, but when you think about it, when this brad holt, whoever he is, wakes up in the morning, is he really doing that much better than you or I? He's going to take a shower, poop, eat breakfast, do something, eat again, feel tired after lunch, eat dinner, do something else and go to bed.

Private jets, mansions, boats, and the like may not cancel out the feeling any individual has of having completely and publicly failing at accomplishing some project, or running an organization, etc.

I understand your gist. This is getting way too hypothetical but sure I'd rather be a successful businessman running my own company making 400k a year vs a $40 million draft bust. But would I rather be a world class burger flipper making 40k vs a $40 million 1st round draft bust........Absolutely Not.
 
I saw BH speak on many occasions and I would really be selling a lot of intelligent people short if I agreed with @Trip7 assessment of his competency.

The reality is ASA so far has worked out for some, it will work out for others, and it will fail another group.

BH was never a leader. He was, even at his best, a weak manager.

There is a difference.
 
Bullcrap. Are you that enamored with management that they can do no wrong?


Churchill also got dealt a terrible hand in 1940 but he was able to lead to get out of that hand.

You saw first hand what a chaotic mess the attempted JCBA for pilots was like. Combine dealing with that with tragically losing his son and no matter what @surreal1221 it was a tough situation. That tragedy may have had a big part in his retirement.
 
Trip7 said:
You saw first hand what a chaotic mess the attempted JCBA for pilots was like. Combine dealing with that with tragically losing his son and no matter what @surreal1221 it was a tough situation. That tragedy may have had a big part in his retirement.

Leaders overcome tough situations to break through on the other side.

Fact remains, he was no leader.
 
You saw first hand what a chaotic mess the attempted JCBA for pilots was like. Combine dealing with that with tragically losing his son and no matter what @surreal1221 it was a tough situation. That tragedy may have had a big part in his retirement.

A real leader knows when personal stuff (which I don't fault him for) has gotten in the way of being able to do their job.

That said, our new management (mostly Sheehan) has done more since they've been at the helm than the old guard ever did.
 
Philosophy stuff aside, because BH was way more than competent just got dealt a terrible hand. Knowing that you have high career expectations and goals you aim to reach, realize you can't necessarily sit back and hope everything sorts itself out. Sometimes you have to make strategic moves or gambles as some would call it, to put yourself if a position to succeed. The regionals is a very turbulent environment. My advise, don't sit back and scrutinize. Improvise.

That wouldn't be in the interests of providing for my family. We have different definitions of success.
 
It's a little bit ridiculous to call any senior manager either a success or a failure without having all of the information about what he was dealing with behind the scenes. Maybe he sucks, maybe he's great and just didn't get dealt a decent hand. Any line pilot who thinks he knows the truth is delusional.
 
Honestly, yes.

If I was paid $40 mil and underperformed id have a really hard time with that. My material life would certainly be better, but I'd be beating myself up all the time because I wouldn't be living up to my own expectations.

You should have seen me as a hockey goalie after a loss back in junior hockey. Heck, even @roundout probably saw that in intramural hockey in college. I don't take it very well when I underperform.

I thought letting in the softies was an excuse to drink more beer afterwards. ;-)
 
Soooooooooo anyways

This thing is going to pass no problem. The question is will new hires come to envoy or will we continue to shrink until we are so expensive we get shut down
 
I thought letting in the softies was an excuse to drink more beer afterwards. ;-)

I've never needed an excuse to drink beer.

I remember when someone yelled at me for taking a sip of my beer when we were playing beer pong because "It wasn't my turn."

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You saw first hand what a chaotic mess the attempted JCBA for pilots was like. Combine dealing with that with tragically losing his son and no matter what @surreal1221 it was a tough situation. That tragedy may have had a big part in his retirement.

How cute that you think I am one who will fall for your attempt to blow smoke up my ass. Trying out for a managerial position with this?

First, yes, I know how a chaotic mess a JCBA can be, but it is not hard to get through with competence and leadership. Hell, the JCBA was easy to deal with compared to dealing with the accident in Buffalo. Back to XJT/ASA merger....Early on in the process it wasn't hard to see that PBS was going to be THE issue that would slow the deal down as the L-XJT guys think they have a better contract than Pan Am in the 1960s because they don't have PBS. You start addressing that early in the process, it doesn't get to where it is today.

Secondly, yes I won't judge for what happened after that tragedy. However, he had nearly two years from when the buyout was announced in 2010 until till that horrific day to take steps to move the process along and get a deal done. That didn't happen.

Are you going to reply with facts or just anecdotal talk about how 'messy' a JCBA can be?
 
It's a little bit ridiculous to call any senior manager either a success or a failure without having all of the information about what he was dealing with behind the scenes. Maybe he sucks, maybe he's great and just didn't get dealt a decent hand. Any line pilot who thinks he knows the truth is delusional.

Once again good leaders can usually turn a bad hand around. Not always, but the XJT/ASA situation was managable early on.
 
Yeah, sorry @ATN_Pilot - bottom line is he was a failure. A managerial failure that is certainly enjoying life with all them dollars.

Weakest manager I ever had to work for. And that doesn't even put him anywhere near the "Leader" arena.
 
How cute that you think I am one who will fall for your attempt to blow smoke up my ass. Trying out for a managerial position with this?

First, yes, I know how a chaotic mess a JCBA can be, but it is not hard to get through with competence and leadership. Hell, the JCBA was easy to deal with compared to dealing with the accident in Buffalo. Back to XJT/ASA merger....Early on in the process it wasn't hard to see that PBS was going to be THE issue that would slow the deal down as the L-XJT guys think they have a better contract than Pan Am in the 1960s because they don't have PBS. You start addressing that early in the process, it doesn't get to where it is today.

Secondly, yes I won't judge for what happened after that tragedy. However, he had nearly two years from when the buyout was announced in 2010 until till that horrific day to take steps to move the process along and get a deal done. That didn't happen.

Are you going to reply with facts or just anecdotal talk about how 'messy' a JCBA can be?

Facts? No I'm not going to reply with facts as I did not witness first hand what happened behind the scenes. It is my opinion that BH had a successful career that might have ended on a mellow note due to a unfortunate circumstances. Bobby Bowden was forced to retire. Guess his coaching career was a failure eh?
 
I'm an outsider to the post-merge XJT, but just curious, how much did this BH supposedly make?
 
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