King Air crashed into FSI Witchita

Agreed. An old instructor of mine is a Citation instructor there. Just heard he had the day off today, and wasn't on campus when the crash occurred.
 
z987k said:
For which? The BE20 will climb away amusing it's trimmed for T/O. The 172 won't even enter a spin without the pilot making it. You'd loose like 100ft if you let go in the incipient phase.
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Recovery in a 172. Sorry for any confusion. If you truely spin it you will need some ALT to allow it to recover on its own.
 
Flight Safety ICT holds a special place for me. I have made friends with many people there and keep in touch often, and I love going back for recurrent (which was going to be in 3 weeks but not now) I have talked to some of the instructors there throughout the day and ones that were in the building when the plane hit. Im happy to say they are unhurt, but my heart goes out to everyone at Flight Safety and to the families that lost someone today.
 
Baronpilot244 said:
A nasty little surprise that exists in King Airs is the Unscheduled Torque scenario, which can be worse than losing an engine because auto-feather won't help the pilot and it can be misread. (I'm not saying that's what happened here)
A loss of thrust in an engine should be verified and the cause determined. The 200 is pretty docile on one engine if its light and I agree 100% with the "do nothing until at safe altitude" opinion. Fly the thing straight ahead and figure out exactly what the problem is before doing anything rash. However an unscheduled torque may be difficult to figure out in the heat of the moment...

Sad to hear of this crash, RIP to the fallen

Bp244
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We've been over this at recurrent. The procedure taught was if the torque needle is rotating C/W (runaway) initiate with the condition levers. If it's going CCW (engine out), initiate with the power levers. The needles are essentially "pointing" to the lever to use.

This stuff happens fast. Don't rely on "dead foot-dead engine." Verify.
 
GypsyPilot said:
That's a great point. When I went from flying piston twins to the King Air (C90), the first thing my CP said on my training flight was to not touch ANYTHING after an engine failure. He harped on not going all crazy like people tend to do in a light piston twin. With lots of power, Auto Feather, and excellent flight characteristics he was absolutely correct.

Also very curious to see how this one turns out.
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When I flew the 1900, the hard thing to do was to not do anything except simply fly the aircraft to a safe altitude and methodically work through the issue.

Engine failures in Le Boos are ridiculously simple (…in the sim)
 
deadstick said:
"Positive Rate
Gear Up
Engine failure
Do you want creamer and sugar in your coffee, Captain?"
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Pretty much.

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Like Matthew McConostrange says… "I just like it".
 
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Baronpilot244 said:
A nasty little surprise that exists in King Airs is the Unscheduled Torque scenario, which can be worse than losing an engine because auto-feather won't help the pilot and it can be misread..............
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True, auto-feather won't help and it could be misinterpreted, but the "Torque Runaway" scenario in the King Air B200 is much more difficult on the takeoff roll, before rotation. If it happened in the air, even shortly after takeoff, it should not be much of an event. The 200's and B200's have Torque Limiters, which should limit the torque to not more than (IIRC) about 2447 ft-lbs (give or take a little) in the event of a FCU failure that leads to the torque runaway scenario. With the good engine developing the maximum 2230 ft-lbs (red-line) it should not be too hard to control the aircraft.
 
I am eager to find out more info. As some have mentioned, FSI ICT is a tight community. I am hoping that. Boost I know has been killed. Although it wouldn't make this any easier.
 
From KAKE news out of Wichita:
"WICHITA -- Family say 78-year-old Jay Ferguson was killed in Thursday's crash at Mid-Continent Airport.
Ferguson was a flight safety instructor working in the FlightSafety International Cessna pilot's training building when the plane hit. Three others died in the crash.
Ferguson's family say he had worked at FlightSafety for 29 years. Just last November, he was honored with the Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award. This award is presented to pilots that have been associated with Aviation for 50 or more years, flying accident free since their first solo flight.
He leaves behind a wife, 3 daughters and 4 grandchildren.
Others killed in the crash include the plane's pilot, 53-year-old Mark Goldstein, 48-year-old Nataliya Menestrina, and one person who still hasn't been identified.
Five others were hurt in the crash, including 39-year-old Scott Mans, who remains hospitalized in serious condition"


I knew both Jay and Nataliya...both great people. Nataliya was an instructor/interpreter for FSI and was a wife and mother of two daughters.

Sad deal.....:(
 
Flew into ICT again today. The building has a massive chunk taken out of it and it is very eerie looking.
 
Mark, the pilot, was a controller at ICT. He won the Archie League Medal of Safety for his region both years of the first two years of it's existence. That in an of itself is mind blowing and a crushing loss.
 
I've been kind of at a loss for words about this situation. I'm a new hire at FSI - Cessna. Thursday was my fourth day on the job. When the plane hit, it was kind of a surreal experience, and I was about 100-150 ft from where it hit. I honestly didn't know what had happened at first. I felt a pressure wave come down the hall, no really big boom or anything. I can't imagine what the folks in the sim bay went through.

The aviation industry in Wichita is a very tightly knit community. The losses from the folks in the FSI building and the pilot have had a big effect on a lot of people.

I'm not really sure what else to say. Everybody stay safe out there. It's been a rough year.
 
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