amorris311
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The company sending you messages while you're in sterile? That can't be right.
But first… lemme take a #selfie
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Soku39
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In the military MX will usually gen up a spare, you basically will fly out the sortie no matter what. So "stepping to the spare" is where that comes from.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The company sending you messages while you're in sterile? That can't be right.
On the taxi in we asked for a gate assignment and they told us about the spare along with our assignment. That said, they do send us ACARS messages (including hourly weather updates) during the flare some times.
Yeah. The "mission mentality" is alive and well in 121 flying.
amorris311
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I was trying to make a funny. I know what happened since we had something similar not all that long ago. Sometimes you wonder when they click send, do they cringe and say to themselves that was not a good idea?
Nick
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On the topic of calling it a day after an unusual event.
I declared an emergency last year on arrival into MSP after a circuit board with a bunch of stuff went on strike at FL180. Partial brakes, partial spoilers, no nosewheel steering, throttles & A/P gone, one MCDU out, etc. The big one was partial brakes and nosewheel steering...had to stop on the runway. Ended up sitting on 12R for 45 minutes waiting for a tug, right in the middle of the 9PM outbound rush. A 757-300, two A330s, and a 767 all waiting at the end to use the longest runway due to their weight. And there we are, just waitin' for a tug, windows open shooting the __ with our MX guys, who are down there in the dark standing by the centerline. Bizarre sitting on an active runway that long when it so badly needed to be used.
Anyway, scheduling did the right thing and actually asked us before we needed to bring it up, if we wanted to call it a day and overnight in MSP instead of continuing on to Edmonton. We chose to do that, cabin crew included, and they said they'd conjure up another crew.
After we finally got towed in, of course as it goes the Edmonton gate was directly across from where we'd arrived. Funny to walk past and hear them making an announcement about how the inbound crew was late and everyone was moaning but generally cool with everything (because they're from Edmonton). We just chuckled and walked on by and said what can ya do.
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Seggy
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As a clarification point, from a clinical standpoint concerning stress, SOME folks can function fine and continue without any problems after a stressful event such as Nick described, canning an engine, or other emergency. In fact, it may be better for them to continue than sit and dwell about what just happened.
Now that I said that, it is up to the individual and I completely understand that some folks will say no way I am done, etc and that is by no means wrong. Just folks can react differently.
Now that I said that, it is up to the individual and I completely understand that some folks will say no way I am done, etc and that is by no means wrong. Just folks can react differently.
amorris311
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I was traveling back to IAD a few years ago on the red eye and we had an unscheduled stop due to some generators that were 'going on strike' (thanks @Nick). Once it was all figured out and two hours later the crew could have said we are going to the Red Roof Inn, but both said they needed to get back in the saddle or they would second guess and not sleep a wink once they got to the hotel. Now this wasn't a full blown emergency where people were in fear of their life, but it was an abnormal that definitely got the juices flowing. This too is a good thread.
NewYorkophile
Fly Casual
Definitely.
Blew a hydraulic line that sprayed onto the (very hot) aux pump, vaporizing it, and the plane smoked up faster than you could think. Thankfully we were only taxiing, but we all (especially the loadmaster in the back) inhaled a bunch of hydraulic smoke just getting her stopped and shut down. Smoke so thick you couldn't see the back of the airplane from the stairs.
Swap tails, flew a 4.0.
nocturnalaviator
AI Jedi
Fixed it
BEEF SUPREME
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Yeah bro. I had oil smoke in the cabin and an emergency decent along with about 35 minutes to get into SLC. I felt like crap for 2 days. I nearly puked on the way to the hotel. No way I could have flown after that. Whatever made me sick was from before we smelled it. I put my mask on immediately.
Jimflyfast
lurker first class
too bad he didnt have on a cool vest and and a jackwaggon look in front of this A320.
just sayin..
PhilosopherPilot
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Apparently the FAs dropped the masks... Nothing like adding a few O2 generators to a cabin fire to get things poppin'!
I'm not sure if that's a military or a cultural thing. SouthernJets is a heavy military airline and I think if a captain said something like that, we'd probably look at him like he had a third eye!
too bad he didnt have on a cool vest and and a jackwaggon look in front of this A320.
I will cut you with my prison shank!
Reason #417 never to post anything on Facebook and presume people that see "Friends Only" will respect it.
That's my concern as well.
Yeah, I'm not. I've had a couple experiences where I thought, "Man, I'm good" but I really didn't know the level of adrenaline I was under until about an hour later.
Engine failure in ORD back in the day, I was out hard from about 0800 until 1800.
We've got reserves for a reason. I'd much rather be safe in the hotel when I hit the wall than dodging a line of storms in the dark when it does!
Both times, at SouthernJets, when we said "We're done", 30 seconds later we had a hotel and no questions asked. I fully intend to exercise that if I have to pull out a QRH, land short and briefing "any color" of emergency.
Soku39
Well-Known Member
I'm also a 130H2 driver, and I gotta say that aux pump kinda scares the crap outta me. There had to have been a better place to put that thing.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
True, but a stress response isn't a constant and can change from event to event. Additionally, the time until you get the response is variable. Captain America (that was so much easier to say before those movies came out) could be fine after three V1 cuts and then 45 minutes after the 4th time it happens you starts flipping out.
The safest course of action ALWAYS is to remove yourself from the environment until you know that you are going to be ok. But then again, in aviation we never deal with absolutes.
Hauling troops for an airdrop for an invasion? Getting the bombs to a Time on Target in support of a beach landing by Marines?
Sure. Step to the spare and get that next mission going quick.
Hauling some pax from Kalamazoo to Chicago? Not remotely critical enough to warrant the severe "mission accomplish" mentality.
This is 121 flying. Not D-Day flying.
That said, based on the type of emergency that occurred, the company policies, and ultimately the crew themselves including cabin crew; all those may/should figure into going again or not.
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
My favorite part about this story was JBU management demanding to get a story from the pilots only to have several ALPA reps telling them basically to pound sand and that they are representing on the pilots behalf.
Yeeeup.
If I poop my pants during an "irregularity" (see what I did there?) after the scene is secure, I tell dispatch that we're down, we're done and we need a hotel (as required by the FOM), my next call is to @Kristie and then to @Richman, my ALPA rep.
Whenever I've had an emergency, I always call home just in case there's something on the news that's been sensationalized.
We had a high-speed RTO (like sickly high speed, but it wasn't my call to say "eeeh, it's not a big deal") in SLC during the SLC Winter Olympics with a crap ton of media types heading home to LA so I was sure it was on television (luckily, pre-Twitter/pre-Facebook) so I called home just to say if she heard anything, everything is kosher.
My mom, however, there can be a Cessna 150 that thunked into the side of a hillside in Kazakstan and she'll say "I was just calling to confirm that you're alright".