AAG to Transfer Envoy CRJ-700s to PSA

My comment was airline-specific. Training and safety standards aren't the same at Majors vs Regionals. Usually safety costs money. That's why a place like Delta has CCQ whereas 9E had PC-only every 12 months and only checked boxes. That was the extent of the training. Colgan back in those days had a similar situation. I would much rather go through an AQP event or a CCQ event than a typical PC any day. In one you actually learn something based on real life situations the airline has experienced. The other is checking boxes to the lowest common denominator. Besides, the set-up of the airline's mainline contract was inherently dangerous. When some regionals get paid on completion factor, then the incentive is there for management to create a go, go mentality airline. My comment isn't really suppose to be against the pilots, it's more so the airline itself, how it's setup, how it grew as big as it did with very little oversight, management's lackadaisical attitude, and creating an unsafe environment in which some felt scared to call in sick or ended up having to fly fatigued.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
My comment was airline-specific. Training and safety standards aren't the same at Majors vs Regionals. Usually safety costs money. That's why a place like Delta has CCQ whereas 9E had PC-only every 12 months and only checked boxes. That was the extent of the training. Colgan back in those days had a similar situation. I would much rather go through an AQP event or a CCQ event than a typical PC any day. In one you actually learn something based on real life situations the airline has experienced. The other is checking boxes to the lowest common denominator. Besides, the set-up of the airline's mainline contract was inherently dangerous. When some regionals get paid on completion factor, then the incentive is there for management to create a go, go mentality airline. My comment isn't really suppose to be against the pilots, it's more so the airline itself, how it's setup, how it grew as big as it did with very little oversight, management's lackadaisical attitude, and creating an unsafe environment in which some felt scared to call in sick or ended up having to fly fatigued.
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What's CCQ?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
My comment was airline-specific. Training and safety standards aren't the same at Majors vs Regionals. Usually safety costs money. That's why a place like Delta has CCQ whereas 9E had PC-only every 12 months and only checked boxes. That was the extent of the training. Colgan back in those days had a similar situation. I would much rather go through an AQP event or a CCQ event than a typical PC any day. In one you actually learn something based on real life situations the airline has experienced. The other is checking boxes to the lowest common denominator. Besides, the set-up of the airline's mainline contract was inherently dangerous. When some regionals get paid on completion factor, then the incentive is there for management to create a go, go mentality airline. My comment isn't really suppose to be against the pilots, it's more so the airline itself, how it's setup, how it grew as big as it did with very little oversight, management's lackadaisical attitude, and creating an unsafe environment in which some felt scared to call in sick or ended up having to fly fatigued.
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Once again you start talking about things you have no idea about. The carrier you came from grew rapidly as well. Remember, that's why you went there and wanted to upgrade inside of two years. When that didn't happen it was Colgan's fault. I'm sure I could go dig up the long winded diatribes you used to post on Airlink pilot about how unsafe the Colgan pilots were. How you were going to have to monitor their every move. Also, do not start back peddling with your comment making. Man up and take some control of your life/actions. This, among a long list of other shortcomings, is why people give you such a hard time. You post with nothing more than emotion and half truths. All of this goes back to my earlier posts about you thinking before you hit post. Once you learn that and gather your information from someplace other than the crew room maybe, just maybe you might gain some credibility.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Sorry, typo. Meant CQ, Continuous Qualification for training.
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We have "Continuing Qualification" training.

Generally it's every 9 months (I think?) but we've got quarterly "busy work" to turn off the sound to and quickly click through for credit.

It's quarterly online "busy work", no company oral at all and position freeze-BANG-position freeze-BANG and an LOE every other time. Or something like that. The accountants are happy but I don't think the average line Joe is exactly thrilled.
 
amorris311 said:
Once again you start talking about things you have no idea about. The carrier you came from grew rapidly as well. Remember, that's why you went there and wanted to upgrade inside of two years. When that didn't happen it was Colgan's fault. I'm sure I could go dig up the long winded diatribes you used to post on Airlink pilot about how unsafe the Colgan pilots were. How you were going to have to monitor their every move. Also, do not start back peddling with your comment making. Man up and take some control of your life/actions. This, among a long list of other shortcomings, is why people give you such a hard time. You post with nothing more than emotion and half truths. All of this goes back to my earlier posts about you thinking before you hit post. Once you learn that and gather your information from someplace other than the crew room maybe, just maybe you might gain some credibility.
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When I got to my 9E the growth was already done. The only new planes were the 16 CRJ-900s but we already had the ~140 CRJ-200s on property which is all I flew. There was no growth.

If you are going to accuse me of half-truths, please don't spread lies about me. You can search airlinks to your heart's content, but I never said anything about watching Colgan pilots or babysitting them. There were other FOs who made those comments, and I can think of at least two by name (will not state it, no point). But I never said anything on airlinks about me having to babysit Colgan pilots or monitor their moves. You do realize that the list came out August-ish 2011? The C&Rs alone were enough to make one want to leave. The first realignment came out as I was in the process of leaving and I already got my out in January just a few months after the list came out. I never flew with a 9L Captain. Besides, those kinds of comments were childish and just POed comments from 9E FOs who knew they would now be stuck. I was getting out, so it didn't matter to me. I still maintain I have nothing against you as a 9L line pilot or any other line pilots. My grudge, as repeatedly shown on airlinks, were the 9 members of the merger committees in total. That is all. So please don't spread misinformation about me because frankly you're really reaching for something that did not exist.
 
Derg said:
We have "Continuing Qualification" training.

Generally it's every 9 months (I think?) but we've got quarterly "busy work" to turn off the sound to and quickly click through for credit.

It's quarterly online "busy work", no company oral at all and position freeze-BANG-position freeze-BANG and an LOE every other time. Or something like that. The accountants are happy but I don't think the average line Joe is exactly thrilled.
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That sounds a lot better than the mundane PC/PT routine. I've read your (somewhat outdated now *cough* *cough* ;)) recurrent training article on the main page of jetcareers.com and that sounds like a much better learning experience than the same ol' PCs.
 
That sucks. I did DTW-SFO for a while and that was a long one but Delta usually made it a good experience. Always appreciated them comping (sp?) a free sandwich. :)
 
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