desertdog71
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From what you told me, there were other factors in play.
FAA Revising ATP Regs
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That all depends on the regional and it's needs. My differences Sim partner was a shining example.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Your training department has a problem, then.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Willing to bet it's not just my training department. There are guys at all airlines that have slipped through the cracks.
ahsmatt7
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Look how self righteous you are.
Let's see the other side of your logic. It took me two years to get my private. Doing it the same way you are so proud of doing things....paying for it on my own. Oh and I started this when I was 18. I got my four yr degree in something totally outside of aviation. I must be a shining star in your eyes for that. Then it took me another 3 years before I started instructing. That was spent getting all my other ratings and selling cars.... Ya know, building a side job as you say. Fast forward to now, I'm still instructing.
While my friend who has been in the regionals for 5 years now has prospects of getting on with a mainline carrier. Yeah he has debt but it was the same amount as me. He has a four yr degree. Difference is, he spent money to make this career a reality while I did it your way. I've literally passed up 5 years in seniority doing it your way. That being said, just because YOU have the funds to do what your doing, you'll still be adding to the problem when you go to the airlines. You'll still be taking a patchy and when your complaining then too, you'll look back and realize that you may have had an opportunity to speed thing a up a bit. All the while, the people you thought you where better than because they put themselves in debt, as you say, will be looking at mainline jobs while you had just gotten on to your regional of choice.
You mention taking a job for a good salary and not some regional job. Here's some food for thought. After you have 1500 hours, you'll most likely have very little multi, if any and at best 500 hours of dual given. If you actually do all your time in a 152 as you say, the chances of having instrument time being actual, will be slim to none. Who's gonna hire you now? Not much...
There are three instructors that have held out at my flight school for corporate jobs because they don't want to go to a regional. They are all running into the same problem. High total time and high multi time and no turbine time. No one wants to hire them. Just food for thought.
My point to this rant is nothing against you, it's against the attitude you project saying how you think your way is such a great way to do things. When the truth is it's just a different way that has very strong pros but also some very big cons. That is all.
I am a big proponent of paying as you go and enjoying the journey. I commend you for doing that. It's smart financially. However, someone who wants to do this for a career needs to realize that the more time they take getting the quals they need, someone else is filling their seat. The truth hurts and so does the pay. However one has to do what they need to do if they want to see somewhat of a solid career whether it's for 121 or corporate. There are people who made your plan work and they had a bit of luck with timing ad or meeting people at the right place and the right time.
At the end of the day, I do honestly praise you for your way. That's what I did. It's the smartest way financially!!! Keep it up! Keep us posted of your progress as well and spread your love of flying with someone new!
Johnny Beau Bekkestad
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Purdue just got the R-ATP for their part 61 training...however that works
Found this interesting...
https://tech.purdue.edu/sites/default/files/files/U_S_DOT_FAA_-_Decision EXEMPTION (2).pdf
All about money!
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Five pages of hand wringing over a stupid rumor of some guy talking to an unnamed person at "the FAA?" Seriously? Guys, this is nothing to worry about. There will be no significant changes to the reg. Count on it.
floridabeachbum
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What facts do you have to back That up Considering that the FAA has formed a committee to rescind the rule? The newspaper in Buffalo is even talking about it. Do you really think that the FAA and the government is going to allow the nation's air systems to shut down due to a lack of pilots because of the 1500 hour rule? What about the Raa website takeflighttommorrow.org? What facts do you have to support your view?
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floridabeachbum
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A person I spoke to in Washington DC. Not trying to start a rumor or trouble. Also follow the link in the original posters comment as well as takeflighttommorrow.org can't say when it will change but it left me with the impression that it will change.
floridabeachbum
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Didn't someone mentioned like loopholes not doing away with the entire rule but a pick here prune here type deal I don't know actually but I do know lobbyists are hard at work trying to undermine this rule and it appears they are going to succeed.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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That's not what the committee is tasked with doing. Let's start with that fact. The ARC has been tasked with looking at air carrier training, not with ATP standards. Please read the actual charter for the committee so you can get your facts straight: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...edia/Air.Carrier.Training.ARC.Cht.1.21.14.pdf
Newspapers talk about a lot of things. It's how they sell more newspapers.
There is no lack of pilots, and the nation's air system is in absolutely no danger of "shutting down." The free market will resolve the pilot shortage by shifting flying back to mainline where there will never be a problem finding qualified applicants. This process has been taking place for the past couple of years now, and it will continue.
What, the RAA is lobbying for something in their best interest? I'm shocked! Shocked and appalled, I say!
Besides the above, I get briefed regularly by the lobbyists and air safety structure representatives at ALPA about this issue and plenty of others. To date, there has been absolutely zero concern at ALPA that the ATP rule is even remotely at risk of disappearing or being watered down. You're tilting at windmills.
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Or you could CFI with an MEI until the right opportunity comes along.
floridabeachbum
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That's not what the committee is tasked with doing. Let's start with that fact. The ARC has been tasked with looking at air carrier training, not with ATP standards. Please read the actual charter for the committee so you can get your facts straight: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...edia/Air.Carrier.Training.ARC.Cht.1.21.14.pdf
Newspapers talk about a lot of things. It's how they sell more newspapers.
There is no lack of pilots, and the nation's air system is in absolutely no danger of "shutting down." The free market will resolve the pilot shortage by shifting flying back to mainline where there will never be a problem finding qualified applicants. This process has been taking place for the past couple of years now, and it will continue.
What, the RAA is lobbying for something in their best interest? I'm shocked! Shocked and appalled, I say!
Besides the above, I get briefed regularly by the lobbyists and air safety structure representatives at ALPA about this issue and plenty of others. To date, there has been absolutely zero concern at ALPA that the ATP rule is even remotely at risk of disappearing or being watered down. You're tilting at windmills.
objection!!!! Council is stating facts that are not in evidence!!! (enter surprise witness) Council has responded with a bunch of huff guff and speculation!! Council has not address the overriding issue of the RAA and their attempt to water down the safety rule!! Council is attempting to deflect the true issue since he probably sits on the board which is about to water the rule down in the first place! Second objection is that counsel be remanded from this case since counselor has shown a conflict of interest why would the big boys at alpa care Council is just talking a whole lot of nothing about something he knows nothing about! (suddenly dramatic music fills the court room- a silent hush comes over everyone in attendance the opposing counselors glare uneasingly at each other the judge clearly shocked by the objections calls for a sidebar in his chambers-the screen fades to black and a commercial for the hover chair comes on.)That's not what the committee is tasked with doing. Let's start with that fact. The ARC has been tasked with looking at air carrier training, not with ATP standards. Please read the actual charter for the committee so you can get your facts straight: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...edia/Air.Carrier.Training.ARC.Cht.1.21.14.pdf
Newspapers talk about a lot of things. It's how they sell more newspapers.
There is no lack of pilots, and the nation's air system is in absolutely no danger of "shutting down." The free market will resolve the pilot shortage by shifting flying back to mainline where there will never be a problem finding qualified applicants. This process has been taking place for the past couple of years now, and it will continue.
What, the RAA is lobbying for something in their best interest? I'm shocked! Shocked and appalled, I say!
Besides the above, I get briefed regularly by the lobbyists and air safety structure representatives at ALPA about this issue and plenty of others. To date, there has been absolutely zero concern at ALPA that the ATP rule is even remotely at risk of disappearing or being watered down. You're tilting at windmills.
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
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I'm sorry, clearly I'm dealing with a mental midget. I wasn't aware. I won't continue wasting my time.
floridabeachbum
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Objection!! Council is stating facts that are not in evidence!! We ascertain that the Buffalo newspaper as well as other sources in the media have said and maintain their stance of the ongoing effort to water down the ATP rule! (surprise witness enters) while opposing counsel has stated facts which dance around the immediate issue he refuses to address his clients actual formation of the committee no matter what a charter says it is the actions that counts. Council obviously does not know he is an aviation where contracts are as good as toilet paper. Counsel is reminded of Comair, Republic and other airliners whose contracts were broken in the interest of their own self-serving airlines without regard to any contract! (dramatic pause) I raise a second objection!! (judge: on what grounds?) that councils answers are based on a conflict of interest!! (ATn pilot tries to object but is overruled) it is clear by counselors response that he is briefed by industry heads that he is clearly trying to deflect interest off of this despite the clear concise reporting of the Buffalo news so as not to disturb the publics interest of safety. Counsel has not responded once not once on the facts of the committee hey must answer straight and not water down his answer! He is an engaging and a lot of huff and guff but nothing concrete!!! (at this time the judge interrupts i'll see you both in my chambers) both counselors glare on at each other a tension fills the room A hushed silence comes over everyone in the court room.) The screen fades to black a commercial for depends comes on....That's not what the committee is tasked with doing. Let's start with that fact. The ARC has been tasked with looking at air carrier training, not with ATP standards. Please read the actual charter for the committee so you can get your facts straight: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...edia/Air.Carrier.Training.ARC.Cht.1.21.14.pdf
Newspapers talk about a lot of things. It's how they sell more newspapers.
There is no lack of pilots, and the nation's air system is in absolutely no danger of "shutting down." The free market will resolve the pilot shortage by shifting flying back to mainline where there will never be a problem finding qualified applicants. This process has been taking place for the past couple of years now, and it will continue.
What, the RAA is lobbying for something in their best interest? I'm shocked! Shocked and appalled, I say!
Besides the above, I get briefed regularly by the lobbyists and air safety structure representatives at ALPA about this issue and plenty of others. To date, there has been absolutely zero concern at ALPA that the ATP rule is even remotely at risk of disappearing or being watered down. You're tilting at windmills.
floridabeachbum
Well-Known Member
Settle down captain happy what happens when your underwear gets in a bunch oh - it already is! just having some fun with you man! I agree with a previous poster -seriously will just have to wait and see what- if anything happens. Now take back what you said about me or I'll hold my breath! Take that you Meanie!!!!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Please, hold your breath.