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KLB said:
To be fair, going through a 142 training program where they virtually make it where anyone and everyone passes is a bit different from training where the company is liable for any training deficiencies. Even a student pilot could pass a ride in a jet at most of those places.
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You can retrain a 135 ride, you cannot retrain a type ride. I completely disagree that 142 training centers pass everyone. On my XLS initial a month ago I had the FAA in for my oral and my sim ride. Trust me I earned that ticket. Now, have people passed that shouldn't have, absolutely. I have also seen people not pass type rides. I have also experienced people at AMF that shouldn't have passed training. The politics of being somebody's friend might outweigh safety sometimes...
 
Maurus said:
Yes but even the Regionals will give people a fair shot. It takes several sim failures during initial training to be kicked out at my airline. They understand that this is the first job where a CFI will see flows and fly such aircraft with the required procedures. At AMF I have only seen them give 1 retraining event at the most in BUR. This includes when I transitioned into the BE99.

One instructor actually threatened my job at AMF when I made an EASY mistake. I geared up the 1900 FTD. Easy mistake since there were no screens and my internal trigger didn't go off for my short final gear check. It was during the emergency sims on a non-precision approach. Of course I was struggling since I was transitioning to the 99 NOT the 1900. They threw a bunch of new power settings and speeds at me and said "go" for my emergency sims. Yeah, they had no problems with setting their pilots up for failure AT ALL. Worst part is that the 99 sim next door was blasting loud emergency horns and stuff as well which made everything even more confusing.

Got into the actual plane and did the training there in minimum time and passed the checkride without difficulty.
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This is exactly what I mean! That is such a setup for failure. I too was thrown into the 1900 sim. "Oh hey remember all that stuff we made you memorize? Well for sim training we are sticking you in a different airplane so here is a bunch of new numbers to memorize."

The sim profiles aren't aren't a training event at AMF. Where as you have training, and critique sessions in 121 and 142 training environments.

A buddy of mine was booted from AMF during 99 training after the second emergency session because he would go forward on the prop lever, out of sheer habit from flying piston twins for several years. This guy had passed PA31 training, and at least 1 recurrent, I think maybe 2 so he had been flying the line for a year. I personally flew with him and he was just fine. Making the guy repeat the session, giving him no training and expecting the problems to be fixed is pretty unreasonable. Not everyone can just instantly fix problems, or learns at the same rate.
 
Inverted said:
This is exactly what I mean! That is such a setup for failure. I too was thrown into the 1900 sim. "Oh hey remember all that stuff we made you memorize? Well for sim training we are sticking you in a different airplane so here is a bunch of new numbers to memorize."

The sim profiles aren't aren't a training event at AMF. Where as you have training, and critique sessions in 121 and 142 training environments.

A buddy of mine was booted from AMF during 99 training after the second emergency session because he would go forward on the prop lever, out of sheer habit from flying piston twins for several years. This guy had passed PA31 training, and at least 1 recurrent, I think maybe 2 so he had been flying the line for a year. I personally flew with him and he was just fine. Making the guy repeat the session, giving him no training and expecting the problems to be fixed is pretty unreasonable. Not everyone can just instantly fix problems, or learns at the same rate.
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That is terrible, basically setting someone up for failure. Where is the respect for the learner. I talked with a very experienced CFI when I had fresh ink on my temp CFI cert. He told me something very simple but true.

"There are only three reasons why people aren't capable of doing something. Because they are either physically or mentally incapable, or because they don't know."

Appears to be a very odd way of doing things, but it's their company and they can run it as they see fit. :confused:
 
I heard from a guy that recently went through their ground school that they give you three shots in the sim... if it's not also for a type that is. Then if you still bust it the third time they give an open invitation to come back in three months and try again which is actually what happened to him. His impression of the current training at AMF was very positive.
 
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PizzaGuy said:
I heard from a guy that recently went through their ground school that they give you three shots in the sim... if it's not also for a type that is. Then if you still bust it the third time they give an open invitation to come back in three months and try again which is actually what happened to him. His impression of the current training at AMF was very positive.
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Not trying to be a smart alec or anything but they could have just trained him and watched him pass on the first try. Just sayin
 
Training varies based on airframe also. PA31 training was fast paced and felt like a fire hose but the program manager is a great teacher and wants you to be successful (but on the amf schedule). 99 training was quick and felt like I was being set up for failure. Metro training was very good, first time I didn't feel like I was behind the ball when I got to the actual aircraft.
 
They are hiring just about anyone that meets basic standards, and are running two indoc classes a month. The pass rates for Indoc are pretty good, but the Chieftan/99 training guys haven't gotten the memo about "shortage" on the line. They are failing people left and right, and then filling the seat with the next body finishing indoc. It is becoming an assembly line for pilots, with a very high percentage getting kicked to the side.

The training department is changing very quickly, and growing. The head of the department is moving to a different position, and they are bringing in several new people from the line. Some are not even 21 years old, former "Riddle-ites", and are given the "power" to fail people.
 
desertdog71 said:
Riddlers in the training department? God help us all.
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flyingbum said:
o_O Uhh, wait a minute, if i'm doing training on the line with one of them, then who is PIC? Seriously?
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The training captains on the line are all experienced pilots who have been flying the line for a little while at least. Most for more than a year. The people that illini8o3 is talking about are in the training department (ground school/sims). As far as I know, there are not any of those people left. Everyone in the training department are part 135 captains - with varying amounts of experience.
 
flyingbum said:
o_O Uhh, wait a minute, if i'm doing training on the line with one of them, then who is PIC? Seriously?
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They meet the VFR PIC requirements. Not sure how many of them are left in Burbank but there were some running chieftain classes when I went through it.
 
Boyington said:
They are hiring just about anyone that meets basic standards, and are running two indoc classes a month. The pass rates for Indoc are pretty good, but the Chieftan/99 training guys haven't gotten the memo about "shortage" on the line. They are failing people left and right, and then filling the seat with the next body finishing indoc. It is becoming an assembly line for pilots, with a very high percentage getting kicked to the side.

The training department is changing very quickly, and growing. The head of the department is moving to a different position, and they are bringing in several new people from the line. Some are not even 21 years old, former "Riddle-ites", and are given the "power" to fail people.
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SS no longer DOT?
 
Boyington said:
The training captains on the line are all experienced pilots who have been flying the line for a little while at least. Most for more than a year. The people that illini8o3 is talking about are in the training department (ground school/sims). As far as I know, there are not any of those people left. Everyone in the training department are part 135 captains - with varying amounts of experience.
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This is true. I am talking about ground school and sim instructors when I went through training. I should have been a little more clear.
 
Boyington said:
The training captains on the line are all experienced pilots who have been flying the line for a little while at least. Most for more than a year. The people that illini8o3 is talking about are in the training department (ground school/sims). As far as I know, there are not any of those people left. Everyone in the training department are part 135 captains - with varying amounts of experience.
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I can think of one person in particular when I wen't through training years back at AMF who had the biggest ego I had ever seen. Spouting off all kinds of Top Gunish egotistical comments, then come to find out he couldn't even fly the line because he was VFR only. Some Riddle guys just make me laugh so hard.
 
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