Proud Pilot
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Name the location and time and I'll buy a round for all JC attendees. How's that for disdain?
Ameriflight
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Name the location and time and I'll buy a round for all JC attendees. How's that for disdain?
desertdog71
Girthy Member
I do. It's not a good idea to misrepresent yourself online.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
It is accurate. Sad huh?
flyingbum
Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
Indeed, I am interested though. Mainly because I'm getting burnt out on instructing.
Can anyone current or former AMF comment more about what was mentioned a few pages back. Specifically something about training being ridiculous difficult to pass. If true, seems strange to do business that way. Doesn't help the company who is now apparently short staffed, and doesn't help the pilot who I believe would get a black mark on their PRIA records.
KLB
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I former,
But I believe training has gotten a lot better in the last couple of years or so.
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I am former. Not sure how much better it has become, but bases are hurting for people so my guess is that hasn't gotten any better because there are people applying... It isn't really training, they don't fix deficiencies in your flying, skills or procedures. If you don't pick up on stuff as quickly as AMF thinks you should, you're out.
desertdog71
Girthy Member
You're supposed to be solid before you get there I would think. Flight school is over.
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I agree that nobody should be taught how to fly, and basic skills.The reality is, a PA31, BE99, SA227 or B1900 are probably the biggest, fastest, and most complex aircraft that the average CFI has ever flown. This is an entry level job, which is what the pay implies. If they were hiring previously typed guys, or requiring guys with previous time in type, I would agree with you. But to learn how to fly and manage a complex twin, or fly a turbine for the first time, learn to fly the AMF way, handling emergencies and flying unfamiliar profiles in the sim where they try to constantly kill you is hard to do in 5 days. I have 2 jet types, not once did they do anything to me in those aircraft, that we didn't previously talk about, and train on. Sure, I wasn't hand held through an ILS and spoon fed how to do one in the sim. People have the basics, but to put it together in an unfamiliar aircraft, with an unfamiliar SOP, that DESERVES proper training. On emergencies day in the sim at AMF, there is no training, you have to be satisfactory or else you fail.
That being said, I made it through, so did a lot of people.
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illini8o3
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Exactly, they are about to put low time guys in multiengine planes, likely turbine nowadays, and they expect people to be able to hand fly all the way to minimums without GPS and single pilot.
Are there areas where the training department can improve? Absolutely, for one it would be nice if they would provide aircraft specific training in the sims. Which sounds silly but I wasn't given a pitch and power chart for the BE99 until after my first sim. They expected me to fly the 99 like I had 1000 hours in it. It would be nice if there was more instructing for aircraft specific tips and tricks. I fully agree with their decision to NOT be a place to teach IFR knowledge. You need to have that before you show up.
Are there areas where the training department can improve? Absolutely, for one it would be nice if they would provide aircraft specific training in the sims. Which sounds silly but I wasn't given a pitch and power chart for the BE99 until after my first sim. They expected me to fly the 99 like I had 1000 hours in it. It would be nice if there was more instructing for aircraft specific tips and tricks. I fully agree with their decision to NOT be a place to teach IFR knowledge. You need to have that before you show up.
KLB
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To be fair, going through a 142 training program where they virtually make it where anyone and everyone passes is a bit different from training where the company is liable for any training deficiencies. Even a student pilot could pass a ride in a jet at most of those places.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Yes but even the Regionals will give people a fair shot. It takes several sim failures during initial training to be kicked out at my airline. They understand that this is the first job where a CFI will see flows and fly such aircraft with the required procedures. At AMF I have only seen them give 1 retraining event at the most in BUR. This includes when I transitioned into the BE99.
One instructor actually threatened my job at AMF when I made an EASY mistake. I geared up the 1900 FTD. Easy mistake since there were no screens and my internal trigger didn't go off for my short final gear check. It was during the emergency sims on a non-precision approach. Of course I was struggling since I was transitioning to the 99 NOT the 1900. They threw a bunch of new power settings and speeds at me and said "go" for my emergency sims. Yeah, they had no problems with setting their pilots up for failure AT ALL. Worst part is that the 99 sim next door was blasting loud emergency horns and stuff as well which made everything even more confusing.
Got into the actual plane and did the training there in minimum time and passed the checkride without difficulty.
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PizzaGuy
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Flying silent, scentless boxes in a structured IFR environment with only two or three landings a day seems more relaxed than foggy windows in a weighed down piston single, VFR in "2 mile viz" with a plane load of nervous old woman and crying babies scud running at 500 ft. But I only have experience with the latter so I cannot say for sure.
flyingbum
Needz Re-Edjamacayshun
Well this is interesting, I don't really expect anyone to teach me basic IFR skills. But it would be nice to actually get training on their high performance aircraft since I have never flown any of them. As if drinking from the fire hose isn't enough. I guess if and when the time comes I'll just hit you guys up for some preparedness info to guide me.
Roger Roger
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Better hope they're not flying lab mice like Airnet used to...