United reaching out to ALPA FFD Carriers

amorris311 said:
From what I gather it was the United ALPA MEC steering committee that brought the idea to the MEC. The MEC thought it was a good plan and then used their channels to get the United management on board with this plan.

These are not on site interviews but rather a face-to-face with people who are intimately involved with the hiring process. If United is a place you want to work I would highly suggest you camp out on July 7 and submit your application. This could be the difference of a year or more in a pile of 6k+ qualified applications.

Ask guys like @Trip7 how important it is to meet the right people and portray your desire to work for such a carrier.

Just my $0.02
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Damn I'm wrong a lot.

I will be sitting at my computer on Monday ready to rock.

I bet nonreving in for those things will be freakishly hard.
 
desertdog71 said:
Complaining about how the game is played doesn't help win the game.
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Even more than that, sour grapes is just sour grapes. I get frustrated with ALPA national for not really having a minimum standard for FFD contracts, and I was very frustrated with the sell job out MEC did on our recent TA. But ALPA has done a lot of great things for me.

From being able to give a guy in the safety committee a jingle when I'm witnessing some questionable MX, to running the ASAP program. They do a lot of good.

It's not perfect. But most of the big complainers are just seeking something to be pissed off about.
 
On the surface it looks like a dog and pony show. ALPA is just trying to stay relevant in the "What has ALPA done for you" category.

The real $64,000 question, and the one Congress asked the ALPAPrez, is why are there union pilots making $22,000 a year and pilots making $300,000 a year? It was a great question and one Mr. Moak had absolutely no legit answer for, and he made ALPA as a union look foolish.

ALPA steals from the poor (essentially) and gives to the rich (mainline). ALPA is more than just pay of course but that is their main function and they've failed every single person at the regional level.
 
amorris311 said:
From what I gather it was the United ALPA MEC steering committee that brought the idea to the MEC. The MEC thought it was a good plan and then used their channels to get the United management on board with this plan.

These are not on site interviews but rather a face-to-face with people who are intimately involved with the hiring process. If United is a place you want to work I would highly suggest you camp out on July 7 and submit your application. This could be the difference of a year or more in a pile of 6k+ qualified applications.

Ask guys like @Trip7 how important it is to meet the right people and portray your desire to work for such a carrier.

Just my $0.02
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That's just a part of the puzzle. It more than just meeting the right people. It's also about having a positive attitude, the initiative to improve oneself everyday, and being ready to take advantage of an opportunity anytime it presents itself. If you've seen the movie 300, you have to be ready to prove yourself to the Wolf in the Winter Cold at a moment's notice.
 
Trip7 said:
That's just a part of the puzzle. It more than just meeting the right people. It's also about having a positive attitude, the initiative to improve oneself everyday, and being ready to take advantage of an opportunity anytime it presents itself. If you've seen the movie 300, you have to be ready to prove yourself to the Wolf in the Winter Cold at a moment's notice.
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So what you're saying is that I should probably wear pants?
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Even more than that, sour grapes is just sour grapes. I get frustrated with ALPA national for not really having a minimum standard for FFD contracts, and I was very frustrated with the sell job out MEC did on our recent TA. But ALPA has done a lot of great things for me.

From being able to give a guy in the safety committee a jingle when I'm witnessing some questionable MX, to running the ASAP program. They do a lot of good.

It's not perfect. But most of the big complainers are just seeking something to be pissed off about.
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My point is that there is an established system in place. Rather than complain about the system or how it's being run, one should seek to change who's running the show or run it themselves.....Meaning get your hands dirty and try to make some changes from the inside.
 
Hopefully this goes better then the DCI thing that was started among the DCI carriers and the Delta MEC when I was back at the Nickle. The Delta MEC eventually stopped caring, and the other DCI carriers stopped sticking together once there were rumors of an RFP for any kind of flying.....
 
wheelsup said:
On the surface it looks like a dog and pony show. ALPA is just trying to stay relevant in the "What has ALPA done for you" category.

The real $64,000 question, and the one Congress asked the ALPAPrez, is why are there union pilots making $22,000 a year and pilots making $300,000 a year? It was a great question and one Mr. Moak had absolutely no legit answer for, and he made ALPA as a union look foolish.

ALPA steals from the poor (essentially) and gives to the rich (mainline). ALPA is more than just pay of course but that is their main function and they've failed every single person at the regional level.
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I agree but on a scaled down version. Regional pilots start at $21,000 while senior Regional pilots make well over $100,000. The union at the regional level can arguably cut the money pie up a little differently, but seems like senior pilots are the priority.
 
I think you guys are all correct, I just need to get my head straight. It's been a bad week for me, and this industry is feeling a little whacked right now. Good luck to everyone attending, I sincerely wish you all the best.
 
Trip7 said:
I agree but on a scaled down version. Regional pilots start at $21,000 while senior Regional pilots make well over $100,000. The union at the regional level can arguably cut the money pie up a little differently, but seems like senior pilots are the priority.
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A couple years ago I took a negotiating survey and said the same thing. I acknowledged that anyone on property would likely want to stay at their current pay track, but for new hires I offered a different pay scheme. Much higher starting but lower top out. $50/hr to start tops out at $60/hr for F/Os and $65/hr to start for CAs tops out at $75/hr.

You can at least pay your bills on that. When I was making $75/hr I was pulling 6 figures at a commuter so $75/hr is nothing to slouch at.

If you look at mainline scales, F/Os top out at 70% of the CA wages. At the commuters it's around 40%. Also get rid of the ridiculous 18 year pay scales there. PSA went the right way by bringing it down to 12, I'd like to see 6-8 max.
 
Don't blame ALPA for looking out for their membership. The riding of coattails statements are silly, but I understand the frustration. Rumor has it at least one of our representatives at the FFD meeting wasn't representing us well. So that's nice. :rolleyes:
 
Trip7 said:
That's just a part of the puzzle. It more than just meeting the right people. It's also about having a positive attitude, the initiative to improve oneself everyday, and being ready to take advantage of an opportunity anytime it presents itself. If you've seen the movie 300, you have to be ready to prove yourself to the Wolf in the Winter Cold at a moment's notice.
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Or, like, most, you just have to be *really* lucky.

"You make your own luck". Well, sorta. But no not really, not in this industry. Timing & luck is 85% of the battle, 10% is being smart about what you do, where you go and 5% is what you just said above. IMO.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Pssssshhhh... try begin a roofer here in Phoenix, on a 112 degree day between 12-2pm. While putting down hot tar, which is probably infinitely hotter that the ambient temperature. Oh and being an illegal Mexican and probably only making $7 an hour.
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I highly doubt an illegal is making $7/hr. I have had numerous friends try and hire day laborers for small jobs and they won't budge from $15/hr while smelling of beer half the time. SMH
 
bike21 said:
Don't blame ALPA for looking out for their membership. The riding of coattails statements are silly, but I understand the frustration. Rumor has it at least one of our representatives at the FFD meeting wasn't representing us well. So that's nice. :rolleyes:
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Not a rumor. I've had that straight from people who were there. And I regret to say that I am displeased, but unsurprised. I'm not sure the phrase persona non grata would be accurate, but I wouldn't be surprised about that, either.

@GypsyPilot
 
bike21 said:
Don't blame ALPA for looking out for their membership. The riding of coattails statements are silly, but I understand the frustration. Rumor has it at least one of our representatives at the FFD meeting wasn't representing us well. So that's nice. :rolleyes:
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Back during the first ALPA drive in 2005/06, a lot of the organizing committee members stuck their necks out on the line for ALPA to help organize. After the drive failed miserably, not one of us were helped to get on with ALPA carriers. I won't lie, that rubbed me the wrong way. I pretty much shot myself in the foot for ever wanting to be a LCA, or have any role other than line pilot to help make me a more well rounded candidate for moving on in my career.
 
While there were a few guys who stuck their necks out, there were also a hell of a lot of guys on the OC who gave it nothing but lip service. We couldn't even get guys to go down to the crew lounge to pass out information or encourage pilots to come to the events. We spent millions on that drive, and frankly, we didn't see the initiative and hard work that we typically see from an OC. There were certainly exceptions, of course.
 
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