Crocs in Uniform??
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etflies
Keeping calm, Chiving on.
etflies said:Not making fun, just saying....putting the seat down and pedals back for us normal sized folk is appreciated
Part of me thinks there is a camera set up to watch tall pilots try and gymnastic our way into the seat behind a shorter pilot. I'm sure I look absurd doing so, and the current whip isn't exactly the definition of roomy even with the seat down and aft.
Beep
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This sounds a lot like the toilet seat argument.Not making fun, just saying....putting the seat down and pedals back for us normal sized folk is appreciated
But it brings up a question, does anyone know what height airplane designers consider " normal or average sized " pilots?
It's baked right into the system. Just that some people forget.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
PhilosopherPilot
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You've met me. I can't.
By all the way "up," I should have said "forward."
Agreed. I'm not sure why people don't leave it forward as that's how they got their bag out when they left. Did they get their bag out, then kneel down and slide the seat aft just to be a pain??
z987k
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In all the airplanes ive flown to date if you don't put your seat aft and down when you get out, you're an ass.
I just need to ask... Are you the one who shot this pic? I ask because accompanying this picture was a Jihad email that made a big stink around company hq. Then, a big stink got made in the training dept. And a big stink is being made here. I'm just wondering if the person who shot this pic had the sack to address the person directly, and fix it in a first person sort of fashion. That is, of course, the right thing to do.
It wasn't Republic.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I disagree. Unless the guy just happened to walk out to the curb and put those shoes on, somebody FROM HIS COMPANY should have sacked up and told him he looked like an idiot and to take the damn things off. That didn't happen (again, unless he just put them on for the picture) so somebody else did the policing. Yes, it sucks you guys got a management by memo note because of it, but if you (as a pilot group) don't police your own somebody else will.
Not bailing out on this one, but I am in training, and new to the 121 world, so my scope is quite limited. I agree that someone from "my" company should have said something. And maybe something was said. We don't know. What I gathered from the email, and from the DO is that a codeshare pilot shot the pic, and sent the email. The way that I see it, and, I could be wrong, but... the way that I would handle a codeshare pilot is to at least ask a question about the attire before sending an ignorant nastygram. Who knows, he could have broken a shoelace in his shoe, and not had a spare one, or a means to procure a new one in time to make the flight. It really could have been something minor, that got blown out of proportion or out of context. Just like with an airplane; things break and ish happens.
I guess it goes back to dealing with people the way that you wish to be dealt with. I can take a pic with my camera and tell any story that I wish. At that point, it's guilty until proven innocent. I guess that is what we have made our world, in general.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Remember... pilots all look the same to the general public riding on our airplanes. Also, the "moment in time" image you capture with your camera, is the same image that a passenger walking by will see. They don't know the context, the back story or the reason, and even if they did, may nor may not even care. When one pilot looks bad (be it wearing stupid shoes, getting caught with a gun at a checkpoint, or taking pictures of woman's dresses in PHL) we all look bad. We generally don't have management breathing down our necks when we are out on trips so it is fully up to us to watch out for each other and deal with issues as they arise.
I agree, the easiest thing to do would have been go and talk to the guy. There may very well have been a good reason. But the picture taker did the next best thing and forwarded the image to management. At that point it becomes everybody's problem and now you have to deal with the fall out.
One other thing... I just saw you said you were new to 121 flying. This is a a good intro to how things generally work. When somebody screws up, EVERYBODY feels the heat. A guy takes off with an open MEL? You all are going to get a nastygram about how you have to be more careful. Too many people calling in sick? Your CPs are going to send an email out to everybody to try to be more healthy and more responsible. One guy says something inappropriate to an FA? You can be damn sure HR is going to make sure everybody rereads their sexual harassment manuals. Is it fair? Of course not, but that's the culture of a 121 carrier and how pilot groups and management interact. Don't take any of it personally, unless you were the guy making the mistake, or wearing the plastic shoes.
And good luck in training.
PhilosopherPilot
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The E190 has a space for your bag immediately behind the seat, and you need to stow your bag before you sit down. So if the seat is all the way back, the first thing you have to do is move the seat forward. I guess you could sit down first and leave your bag in the galley or in the captain's way, but in any case you're gonna have to get up and move the seat forward eventually.
I agree with most aircraft down and back is the gentlemanly way to leave the seat. The E190 is unique in that regard. It's highly annoying to come into the flight deck and not be able to stow your bag.
KellWolf can back me up on this!
PhilosopherPilot
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PhilosopherPilot
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I'm fairly certain that the person who took the picture ONLY posted it to Facebook, and didn't email it to management. It did kinda go viral, and I accept some of the responsibility for posting it on here...but no one lobbed a grenade into management intentionally.
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Can't believe you guys are still talking about this...
PhilosopherPilot
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Some of us aren't cool enough to have stories like you. Obviously we aspire to your level of greatness. I know that someday I'll get there if I work hard, and learn to be cheap!
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Ain't gonna happen man. You don't have the cheap gene in you! Besides, you fooled the cute doctor from eHarmony into being your sugar mama! ;-)
Back to your discussion of other people's shoes.
Back to your discussion of other people's shoes.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
I was gonna say all that, but I'll just toss in the AOL "Me too." Man speak truth. Now, in the CRJ (where we had to haul our bags all the way to an overhead bin in the back of the plane), if you didn't move the seat all the way back when you got out, you were an ass. The 190 is the exact opposite. I also don't have to worry about some Delta jumpseater getting confused and almost walking off with my bag because he thought it was HIS in the overhead bin. Naw, man. Yours is the one with the gate check tag.....