PA44 (Possibly from ATP) Down in GA

Know who you are flying with and brief what you are going to fly. Having flown GA, military, and ng airline the nearest I was to buying the farm was as a passenger in a GA performing a "watch this". I fly GA but rarely as a passenger anymore.

One of the other co-owners of a 172 I had a share in asked if I wanted to go flying with him on Tuesday. I agreed. On the preceding Saturday he stalled/spun the aircraft trying to a make an alleged 90-degree banked turn to final after lining up for the wrong runway, killing himself and two others (his parents).

After that I became a lot, lot more conservative about who I flew with.
 
O really? Did you go to ATP? I did. Almost all of the instrument training flights were a carbon copy of the checkride. What do you call that smart guy?
One of the other co-owners of a 172 I had a share in asked if I wanted to go flying with him on Tuesday. I agreed. On the preceding Saturday he stalled/spun the aircraft trying to a make an alleged 90-degree banked turn to final after lining up for the wrong runway, killing himself and two others (his parents).

After that I became a lot, lot more conservative about who I flew with.

I'm about as conservative as a CFI can be about who I fly with and the conditions of the flight.

-Fox
 
Know who you are flying with and brief what you are going to fly. Having flown GA, military, and airline the nearest I was to buying the farm was as a passenger in a GA performing a "watch this". I fly GA but rarely as a passenger anymore.

I come from an aviation family; my dad is a commercial rated private pilot, and my younger brother has his private. My brother was incensed one day when asking me if I'd yield a front seat in the family 210. (Asking my dad certainly wasn't an option!) Having been uncomfortable on a handful of occasions in the back seat of a Cessna, I told him, "I don't fly the backseat anymore." He thought that was the most pompous, arrogant thing he'd ever heard. Until my dad said, "I understand and agree." :)

As an occasional CFI, I don't worry too much about who I fly with if I have access to the controls. However, I'm very selective with whom I'll ride in the back...excepting professional crews in their element.
 
Very sad news to hear. I instructed for them out of TTN for 3 years, it's a shame to learn this. The last accident was a buddy of mine out of CFI school. Mid air collision in 2009 I believe. Awful. Thoughts and prayers for the families and the school.

RIP :(
 
I won't fly GA period. Not worth it.
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My position on it is that of @U_of_I_Tweak :

I come from an aviation family; my dad is a commercial rated private pilot, and my younger brother has his private. My brother was incensed one day when asking me if I'd yield a front seat in the family 210. (Asking my dad certainly wasn't an option!) Having been uncomfortable on a handful of occasions in the back seat of a Cessna, I told him, "I don't fly the backseat anymore." He thought that was the most pompous, arrogant thing he'd ever heard. Until my dad said, "I understand and agree." :)

As an occasional CFI, I don't worry too much about who I fly with if I have access to the controls. However, I'm very selective with whom I'll ride in the back...excepting professional crews in their element.
Most of the folks I fly GA with are airline or otherwise professional pilots, who spend the money on training and maintenance so that they needn't rely upon luck, and maintain a high level of currency in their GA airplanes. If it's someone I don't know, I want access to the flight controls.
 
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My position on it is that of @U_of_I_Tweak :


Most of the folks I fly GA with are airline or otherwise professional pilots, who spend the money on training and maintenance so that they needn't rely upon luck, and maintain a high level of currency in their GA airplanes. If it's someone I don't know, I want access to the flight controls.

Even if you know someone, look at the redundancy in GA piston airplanes as opposed to turbine aircraft. I have a new appreciation of that redundancy once I got married and had a kid. I have no desire to spend time at the airport on my days off as I get my fix when I am at work. I'd rather spend my time with family.

To each their own.
 
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Even if you know someone, look at the redundancy in GA Piston Airplanes as opposed to turbine aircraft. I have a new appreciation of that redundancy once I got married and had a kid. I have no desire to spend time at the airport on my days off as I get my fix when I am at work. I'd rather spend my time with family.

To each their own.

I'm with Seggy on this one, and it's something he and I have even talked about before. Having kids changed my entire perception of GA flying. And honestly, @bdhill1979 experience leaving two young children behind was a big part of it as well.
 
Even if you know someone, look at the redundancy in GA piston airplanes as opposed to turbine aircraft. I have a new appreciation of that redundancy once I got married and had a kid. I have no desire to spend time at the airport on my days off as I get my fix when I am at work. I'd rather spend my time with family.

To each their own.
Im the same way.. Think of all the "BS" we do as airline pilots in training and all the seemingly annoying things we must do on a daily basis in the name of safety. Look at all the technology that's been added to airplanes in the name of safety. After All that Ill be damned if Im going to leave my family fatherless b/c I wanted to barnstorm a neighbor. I still enjoy taking my kid to the airport and having him point at airplanes though.
 
And im not saying I wont ever fly GA again, (its been 11 years+), I just wont do it with someone else as PIC.
 
As an occasional CFI, I don't worry too much about who I fly with if I have access to the controls. However, I'm very selective with whom I'll ride in the back...excepting professional crews in their element.

Same here.

If I can't reach the controls in a GA airplane, there is someone that I trust IMPLICITLY at the controls. The list of people that I trust that much is VERY short.
 
It's not that flying GA is dangerous- it just gives the user more opportunity to expose themselves to danger.

If you're flying a safe airplane with a record in accordance with the rules and making conservative judgements, the odds of running into a life or death situation are insanely low. Riding the bus is safer and cheaper than driving a car to work, but I doubt any of you have made that risk assessment in favor of the bus.

You wanna fly your Mooney across the Rockies IMC at night? Go right ahead, but know that there's someone who dies doing that *every* single year.
You wanna fly a Cessna VMC to get a hamburger for lunch once a week with a friend? Probably safer than driving the 100 miles.
 
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