PA44 (Possibly from ATP) Down in GA

Unlike Sheble, my experience with ATP was very professional. They have excellent risk management, as an organization, excellent maintenance, and whatever you may think of their training standards or business practices, they don't lose airplanes on a regular basis, despite the size of their operation. I'd hesitantly suggest that people speculate gently, at most, until and unless facts show otherwise.

Fair winds, following seas.

-Fox
 
The program was modified last year, reducing the amount of dual in the Seminole and increasing the student cross country time.

I think the relatively large amount of training had something to do with the safety record, I just hope the change hasn't eroded this buffer.

RIP
 
Yes, they changed that up just before I started last year. You used to get your private single, private multi, then instrument (training/check-ride in the Seminole). Now you get your private single/instrument in 1 check-ride,then your private multi. Not much dual time (or time period for that matter) are spent in the Seminole before you are off doing your cross country time build.

No maneuvers were authorized while we did our cross country flights. Though I had one guy I flew with just for one day who decided he wanted to try and have some 'fun' on our flight form Millington, TN to Key Field, MS. I made sure he cut that nonsense out asap. Told him if he wanted to be cavalier to do it on his own time and without me in the aircraft with him. Not saying that's what happened here. It will be interesting to see what the NTSB finds, if anything. Sad news indeed. RIP :(
 
crfguy51 said:
The program was modified last year, reducing the amount of dual in the Seminole and increasing the student cross country time.

I think the relatively large amount of training had something to do with the safety record, I just hope the change hasn't eroded this buffer.

RIP
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They just changed it back and separated the Private and Instrument rides which is a really good thing.
 
They changed into two different checkrides again, but still not like how it was previously. There isn't much 'PIC', during the 'SPIC'.....

The program has some big holes in its current form.
 
That position is extremely close to KBQK and somewhat inline with the main runway but 55nm short of their destination.

Makes you wonder if they were diverting or practicing something.

A witness said the engines went silent. I know that isnt worth much from a non-pilot but raises a question about a fuel related divert. There should be some relevant ATC communications if so.

Heavy speculation - I know.
 
CUTigerPilot said:
Though I had one guy I flew with just for one day who decided he wanted to try and have some 'fun' on our flight form Millington, TN to Key Field, MS. I made sure he cut that nonsense out asap. Told him if he wanted to be cavalier to do it on his own time and without me in the aircraft with him.
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Know who you are flying with and brief what you are going to fly. Having flown GA, military, and airline the nearest I was to buying the farm was as a passenger in a GA performing a "watch this". I fly GA but rarely as a passenger anymore.
 
Pilots have been identified.

The two men who died in Monday’s plane crash in creek north of Brunswick have been identified as Andres Lopez Sr. of Colombia and Adam Griffis, a Chilean citizen living in Prattville, Ala., according to Glynn County Deputy Coroner Chris Stewart.

Their ages have not been provided yet. An autospy is being done Thursday afternoon.
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They wouldn't let us go if either the departure/destination airport was LIFR. And most of the time they were cautious about IFR, but not always. I did get some good actual time on my x-country time build.
 
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