US Airways Pilot Keeps American Pilots Off His Jumpseat

Yeah, Delta was the last one to open their seats up to the masses. With all due respect, I remember a few times where the double breasted jackwads would not acknowledge my presence walking past in the terminal. I was sorry to see the bankruptcies and loss of pensions and all, but I have to hint there was a certain happy feeling when my hourly rate exceeded the Delta rate. Yeeee Hawww.
 
DE727UPS said:
Yeah, Delta was the last one to open their seats up to the masses. With all due respect, I remember a few times where the double breasted jackwads would not acknowledge my presence walking past in the terminal. I was sorry to see the bankruptcies and loss of pensions and all, but I have to hint there was a certain happy feeling when my hourly rate exceeded the Delta rate. Yeeee Hawww.
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I believe their JS opened up around '98 or so.

Curiously, during that time when their JS was closed to everyone else, did they have agreements with other carriers to JS? That would be kind of awkward.......asking for a ride elsewhere, but having nothing to offer in return.

And any idea why it was they had that policy and were holdouts for so long? I've never known why.
 
Derg said:
DTW has been a very good base. Flying pilot takes second break, no splitting takeoffs and landings, and it's been smooth.
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You have to admit, the DTW has a mellow quality to it. People fly in, people fly out...all doing their groovy business without getting all up in a ruckus. No phony baloney, no asking how the golf cart is in Peachtree City, just grab yer coffee, stroll by the water feature, take a train ride to your airplane, and off you go.

That said, they do enjoy a spirited discussion, and are GOOD trade unionists.

DTW guys (and gals) also, as a whole, have some of the most finely tuned bovine poop detectors I have ever seen.

It's been a pleasure to be there for the past 11 years.

Richman
 
MikeD said:
And any idea why it was they had that policy and were holdouts for so long? I've never known why.
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They were the last holdouts for 20/20 uncorrected. They were just old skool. An attitude perpetuated by an ALPA and and ex-military feeling like they were invincible and always would be.
 
MikeD said:
I believe their JS opened up around '98 or so.

Curiously, during that time when their JS was closed to everyone else, did they have agreements with other carriers to JS? That would be kind of awkward.......asking for a ride elsewhere, but having nothing to offer in return.

And any idea why it was they had that policy and were holdouts for so long? I've never known why.
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I actually just flew with a guy who said back in the day they used to let them on in hopes they would go back to management and say they need to allow others to occupy the JS in return.
 
Derg said:
When the fences come down on the 747 and 777, and there are some more people bidding into SEA, there's going to be another round of drama, hopefully short lived, and then it will be finally be complete.
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Speaking of this do you see many of the 777 guys bidding over to the 747? My uh.... Close North "friend" seems to think they will do it to chase the type rating, I disagree... He's waiting to see the fallout before he bids either at this point. Just curious what you guys think. Why would they go to training for the same pay? Unless of course they send it to ATL then mayhem will ensue.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Speaking of this do you see many of the 777 guys bidding over to the 747? My uh.... Close North "friend" seems to think they will do it to chase the type rating, I disagree... He's waiting to see the fallout before he bids either at this point. Just curious what you guys think. Why would they go to training for the same pay? Unless of course they send it to ATL then mayhem will ensue.
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I really doubt it. The trips really aren't that great, it doesn't pay any more and, if they're looking at ex-pat work, I think the 777 has more value.

I've only run into one guy that has any interest, but again, it's not like I'm running around polling people! :)

Personally, a few years into the merger, I think fences are idiotic if you handle the SLI well. It's actually created more seniority anomalies than prevented them. Again in my opinion.
 
Management would not allow jumpseating because other employee groups thought it was unfair and they did not want to look weak towards the only union on property. Things started to change when AFA came calling to unionize the FAs. The FAs wanted the Jumpseat and in order to pull the rug out from under the AFA, IFS allowed cabin jumpseating. Of course, now they didn't have an argument to keep the pilots off of the JS, but in typical fashion, ALPA paid too much to get it.
 
Cptnchia said:
Management would not allow jumpseating because other employee groups thought it was unfair and they did not want to look weak towards the only union on property. Things started to change when AFA came calling to unionize the FAs. The FAs wanted the Jumpseat and in order to pull the rug out from under the AFA, IFS allowed cabin jumpseating. Of course, now they didn't have an argument to keep the pilots off of the JS, but in typical fashion, ALPA paid too much to get it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the jumpseat was for all pilots not just off line right?
 
Derg said:
Personally, a few years into the merger, I think fences are idiotic if you handle the SLI well. It's actually created more seniority anomalies than prevented them. Again in my opinion.
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You are speaking from a position of a preceived "winner" in the SLI. Of course you would think the above.
 
Springer said:
You are speaking from a position of a preceived "winner" in the SLI. Of course you would think the above.
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Which is a hilarious assertion because I actually came out a several percentage below my previous relative seniority. 3 or 6% I can't remember. Side-A said "Whatever", Side-B said "Whatever", and the panel said, "Here ya go".

Largely everyone was largely indifferent with small patches of "My cheese was moved" on either side.

If there's an example of a better SLI, I'd like to hear about it.
 
Springer said:
You are speaking from a position of a preceived "winner" in the SLI. Of course you would think the above.
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Yeah, if you consider losing % points, being displaced out of your category and base, and going from 6 months to upgrade to 3+ years "winning," I guess I won.

The 777 and 747 fences did nothing but keep the senior guys insulated in their categories. They were senior anyway. Who was going to displace them?
 
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