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JetDoc said:
I would also like to add to this with, if an airline managers lips are moving, they are lying.....
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We had a pilot stand up in our last LEC meeting and tell us he'd served as a line pilot and in several management positions over the years. His message? That we were mistaken if when the doors closed the senior management types weren't cooking up lies and laughing at us for taking them seriously.

I have zero respect for the types that run airlines these days. Buncha punks.
 
BobDDuck said:
It took 6 months from the time the decision was made. The other 4 1/2 years were punishment.
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Three months to close up shop. 88 aircraft fleet at the time the decision was made on July 27 with the last flight on September 29th. On the last day Comair had a fleet of 2 CRJ-700. CRJs went to the boneyard, CR7s went to GoJets and the CR9's ended up at SkyWest and ExpressJet.

JOEFRIDAY2 said:
Look at Pinnacle/Endeavor. After merging Mesaba and Colgan into Pinnacle, Delta basically forced them into bankruptcy. Then Delta owns them. Then they changed the name to Endeavor. If Delta didn't HAVE to have them then that would have been the end of it. There would have been a liquidation and it would have all been over. Just like Comair. But that did not happen. The reason it did not happen is because those passengers must be moved and Delta had no other way to move them. It's a different time than when Delta decided to shut down Comair.
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Comair was shut down to free up capital, so DL could pick up Pinnacle in BK and mold it as it saw fit.
 
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Kingairer said:
Just for the record, when I say "commuters" I'm joking and making light of what all the old timers I fly with say.
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Boise to Baltimore thought MSP on the CRJ 900. Carried a group of 4 from BOS to PHX through MEM, and they never touched a mainline airplane. Commuter! Regional (the region is the USA and parts of Canada).
 
H46Bubba said:
the decision was made on July 27 with the last flight on September 29th.
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Is that when they made the decision or is that when they finally made the decision public? As far as we know the decision was made when they started to draw down Comair. Everyone knew it was coming when they started the furloughs. IMO July 27 was just them finally making a date for the draw down to be complete as they likely finally had plans for the aircraft at that point. We really don't know how long it takes to make such plans.
 
You guys need to give up the conspiracy theories. Comair didn't waste many months of resources on negotiations if they already knew that they were going to shut down.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You guys need to give up the conspiracy theories. Comair didn't waste many months of resources on negotiations if they already knew that they were going to shut down.
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If you have negotiations open already, how do you tell the NMB that you're bargaining in good faith if you're not bargaining?

"Oh yeah, we'd talk with those guys, but we're going to shut down anyway. But hey, don't tell them!"

You can't let something like that out of the bag, so you keep "negotiating."
 
Autothrust Blue said:
@Polar742, the Lord's Year 2013+1, and calling regional airlines "commuters"? ;)
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I still call them commuters, as I was flying when they still were that. Hell, I even took a class at ERAU titled "Commuter Airline Operations". Back in my day, you were King Kong if you got the job flying for Mesa Airlines through PRC in their C-208 as a Captain, or in the Beech 1300 as an FO. Close 2nd tier were Golden Pacific C-402s that also flew out of PRC.
 
jtrain609 said:
If you have negotiations open already, how do you tell the NMB that you're bargaining in good faith if you're not bargaining?

"Oh yeah, we'd talk with those guys, but we're going to shut down anyway. But hey, don't tell them!"

You can't let something like that out of the bag, so you keep "negotiating."
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These weren't NMB mediated sessions.
 
MikeD said:
I still call them commuters, as I was flying when they still were that. Hell, I even took a class at ERAU titled "Commuter Airline Operations". Back in my day, you were King Kong if you got the job flying for Mesa Airlines through PRC in their C-208 as a Captain, or in the Beech 1300 as an FO. Close 2nd tier were Golden Pacific C-402s that also flew out of PRC.
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Those were the days!

I still remember Larry Risely giving the chat in the DLC about how he'd love to hire us all but they were phasing out the Caravan.
 
Derg said:
Ooh, one memory from the "Bankruptapalooza Days" at Southernjets.

One of you guys on the forum, no not in the thread I don't think, was dating a SouthernJets flight attendant who was afraid that if we voted down concessions, the company would fold and she would lose her job. "Unfair" I think was one of the words used in the missive.

So this person took the time to write me a scathing private message about how his girlfriend was scared, upset and angry and how dare I speak about not "doing what was right" and voting in concessions to save the company. I "could give more" and she would keep her job.
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This, except replace with "Northernjets".

That said, despite majors rolling in the phat coin these days, these kind people still exist. Their name, unfortunately, is legion.

They annoy me to an annoying degree.

Richman
 
Richman said:
This, except replace with "Northernjets".

That said, despite majors rolling in the phat coin these days, these kind people still exist. Their name, unfortunately, is legion.

They annoy me to an annoying degree.

Richman
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I should dig around my records to see who was ballsy enough to bitch at me about my vote and belittle them publicly! :)
 
H46Bubba said:
Three months to close up shop. 88 aircraft fleet at the time the decision was made on July 27 with the last flight on September 29th. On the last day Comair had a fleet of 2 CRJ-700. CRJs went to the boneyard, CR7s went to GoJets and the CR9's ended up at SkyWest and ExpressJet.


Comair was shut down to free up capital, so DL could pick up Pinnacle in BK and mold it as it saw fit.
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The 60 day formal notice is required under the WARN Act.
 
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