Screaming_Emu
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Right, but the company is the one saying "we're gonna shut it down."
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Right, but the company is the one saying "we're gonna shut it down."
roundout
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Well it's done.so what should we do now?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Some guys are calling it the best ever comm put out by the MEC.
Perhaps. But you have to remember that there are many audiences for a communication, not just the ones who support the 5 guys who voted against the deal. The ones who support the 4 guys who voted against it are probably nervous as hell, and I'm not sure that reinforcing their fears is a wise move.
J Cole
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The current contract provides protection through furlough protection for something like 90-95% of the pilot group. There are no provisions for a guaranteed fleet size currently. What the company has threatened is a gradual winding down over the next four years until the company becomes too small to keep running and then the doors will be closed (a la Comair). Given that Eagle has shrunk 500 pilots in the past two years despite hiring as many as it can, this threat appears to have teeth since attrition would probably mean that the furlough protection would never come into play.
That said, what the MEC has done here is called the company's "bluff". The company must now lay their cards on the table and we will soon see if they have a full house or a pair of twos.
JOEFRIDAY2
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I guess American will now shut down Eagle and have Republic fly those routes. Opps Republic can't hire enough pilots and is already downsizing so Republic can't do it. Well maybe Great Lakes can pick up the routes. Nope that won't work because Great Lakes is in worse shape than Republic.
The fact remains that 50% of American's passengers originate on a regional aircraft. There is no other place to put these passengers. There simply is not any regional airline with any excess capacity these days.
Eagle is just not going to be shut down because there is no where to put the passengers. It really is that simple.
At some point the regional airline industry must realize that pilots need to be paid more than poverty wages. We are getting real close to that point.
Pilots are professionals and should be treated as such. Pilots should not be relegated to qualifying for food stamps.
Joe
The fact remains that 50% of American's passengers originate on a regional aircraft. There is no other place to put these passengers. There simply is not any regional airline with any excess capacity these days.
Eagle is just not going to be shut down because there is no where to put the passengers. It really is that simple.
At some point the regional airline industry must realize that pilots need to be paid more than poverty wages. We are getting real close to that point.
Pilots are professionals and should be treated as such. Pilots should not be relegated to qualifying for food stamps.
Joe
Screaming_Emu
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Eagle MEC:
ArcherII
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From: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...american-eagle-reject-proposed-contract.html/
Pilot union leaders at American Eagle reject proposed contract
The Master Executive Council for the Air Line Pilots Association at American Eagle Airlines rejected a proposed contract Wednesday that would have traded concessions for new, larger airplanes and the ability to move eventually to pilot jobs at parent American Airlines.
“The vote today was about the future of Eagle pilots and the regional airline pilot profession,” MEC chairman William Sprague said in the union’s announcement.
“The pilots negotiated and signed a concessionary agreement during the recent bankruptcy, and management asked us soon after AAG exited bankruptcy for additional, significant concessions,” Sprague stated.
“Our pilots decided they were not willing to work for less than the company is already paying our peers,” he said. “We will now begin the process of assisting our pilots in identifying alternative career options within the industry.”
Had the MEC members accepted the tentative agreement, it would been sent out to American Eagle pilots for a vote up or down.
Representatives of airline management including parent American Airlines Group (AAG)had warned the pilots that the carrier could become Comair II without changes in the pilot contract. That warning refers to Comair, a regional carrier bought by Delta Air Lines in 1999 and permanently grounded by Delta in 2012.
In its announcement Wednesday, ALPA referenced those threats.
“Company representatives made it clear that should the pilots and management fail to reach a deal, the company will not entertain future negotiations,” the ALPA MEC stated. “Negotiators for AAG also stated numerous times that if a deal fails to be ratified, American Eagle Airlines will be downsized continually until it is small enough to liquidate.”
It added: “During the coming days, ALPA will be working with the American Eagle pilots to help them find placement with other airlines. ALPA representatives will ask management for their timetable regarding the liquidation of American Eagle. Stay engaged as we move forward. The need for unity is more critical now than any other time in our history.”
Pilot union leaders at American Eagle reject proposed contract
The Master Executive Council for the Air Line Pilots Association at American Eagle Airlines rejected a proposed contract Wednesday that would have traded concessions for new, larger airplanes and the ability to move eventually to pilot jobs at parent American Airlines.
“The vote today was about the future of Eagle pilots and the regional airline pilot profession,” MEC chairman William Sprague said in the union’s announcement.
“The pilots negotiated and signed a concessionary agreement during the recent bankruptcy, and management asked us soon after AAG exited bankruptcy for additional, significant concessions,” Sprague stated.
“Our pilots decided they were not willing to work for less than the company is already paying our peers,” he said. “We will now begin the process of assisting our pilots in identifying alternative career options within the industry.”
Had the MEC members accepted the tentative agreement, it would been sent out to American Eagle pilots for a vote up or down.
Representatives of airline management including parent American Airlines Group (AAG)had warned the pilots that the carrier could become Comair II without changes in the pilot contract. That warning refers to Comair, a regional carrier bought by Delta Air Lines in 1999 and permanently grounded by Delta in 2012.
In its announcement Wednesday, ALPA referenced those threats.
“Company representatives made it clear that should the pilots and management fail to reach a deal, the company will not entertain future negotiations,” the ALPA MEC stated. “Negotiators for AAG also stated numerous times that if a deal fails to be ratified, American Eagle Airlines will be downsized continually until it is small enough to liquidate.”
It added: “During the coming days, ALPA will be working with the American Eagle pilots to help them find placement with other airlines. ALPA representatives will ask management for their timetable regarding the liquidation of American Eagle. Stay engaged as we move forward. The need for unity is more critical now than any other time in our history.”
Tld
Waffles Brah.
I was at our MEC meeting today. After 4 hours of passionate discussion and debate I was convinced the MEC would send this to a pilot vote, but our guys made me proud and killed it. What comes next for us will be a rough road, but thankfully, for now, it doesn't involve bending over for AAG.
Tld
Waffles Brah.
I was at our MEC meeting today. After 4 hours of passionate discussion and debate I was convinced the MEC would send this to a pilot vote, but our guys made me proud and killed it. What comes next for us will be a rough road, but thankfully, for now, it doesn't involve bending over for AAG.
chrisreedrules
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Well... The question still stands: Who exactly will pick up Eagle's flying if AAG stands by their word?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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You guys keep missing management's ace in the hole: they don't really care if nobody is able to pick up the flying. It's not profitable! If they can rape you of your compensation package and still get you to come to work, then they're fine with that. But if not, they'll radically scale back regional feed to the number of 70+ seat RJs that makes sense, and the rest of the feed will go back to small gauge mainline aircraft on reduced frequency. Same markets, same ASMs, fewer airplanes, lower CASM.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Then where are the pilots going to come from to feed the losses due to retirements over the next decade?
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
True, but at the end of the day, the product you are selling to corporate buyers is your route network. When that gets bad enough, they start shopping their contracts.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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With 10,000 applications on file, they should be good for the next decade. And we all know, management isn't looking further ahead than that, because they're all carpetbaggers and will likely be working in a completely different industry by the time that problem rolls around.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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That's only an issue if your competition is keeping up the route frequency. They aren't. All of the legacy carriers have pretty much reached the conclusion at the same time that the regional feed is no longer beneficial if they have to spend as much on it as they have been. So everyone scales back frequency at the same time, and the corporate contracts have nowhere to go.
skyw82
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Mainline.
Seggy
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I was going to say, when something like this is voted down, a communication should be put out stating that the MEC looks forward to meeting with the company to discuss what will needed to be done to get a deal in place that protects the future of American Eagle Pilots.
You DON'T put out a letter saying you aren't going to talk to the company forever and force the company to shut you down or call your bluff.
@surreal1221, this is why ALPA has communication specialists. To prevent pilots who are emotional from putting out a communication that backs management in a corner were they have no choice but to wreak havoc on the pilot group.