PSA needs 400 new hire pilots in 2014

Firebird2XC said:
Says the guy hired at PSA last fall.

Nice job, yes voter. You've been in the business and sold everybody out. Good for you.
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Clearly you speak without knowledge. That is why I laugh at posts like this. You do realize that we do not get to vote in our first year? And all this came about after my hire date. So I am part of a new contract I did not vote on as I was hired under the old contract. So this is why it is best to only speak of your own pilot group and do what you feel is best at your company since you do not live in the shoes of us at PSA. So I would not expect you to know a person in their first year has no vote and does not pay union dues even (as we have no voice). Well, now you know.

And like anyone else in this industry. I just play the game. Whether I voted for it or not, I work under the rules of the contract since it is now the only choice I have. And whether zi agree or disagree with the contract terms, it is what it is. So I go in, do my job, go home, and get experience so someday I can get a better job with better pay and better quality of life. And I also look forward to a future contract negotiation where I can vote and express an opinion that will count.
 
Oh. And I will add this. I am new to the Regional industry. I am no expert and I am still learning this niche. I barely understand how to bid a schedule in FLICA and I learn new work rules and other things all the time. So I am far from understanding all my contract details. I do not know much about the union and what they do and don't do for me. I definitely do not understand the politics or ongoing issues in my company as of yet, much less the industry as a whole. So right now, I can only speak for me and speak from very limited experience.

As time goes on, I will learn more and get more involved. And I am glad to say, every Captain I flown with and other fellow FO's have been more than generous in helping me learn how we operate. And for that I am grateful. Overall I seen a very positive pilot group. And I do think PSA is a decent place to work. I have no complaints so far. But I also have no basis of comparison either since it is my first Regional. So maybe I am an abused child and do not know it. The bottom line. I am here. The job is fun. I feel treated fairly. And hopefully this is my first and last Regional as I look to move onto a better company in the future.
 
TexasFlyer said:
Clearly you speak without knowledge. That is why I laugh at posts like this. You do realize that we do not get to vote in our first year? And all this came about after my hire date. So I am part of a new contract I did not vote on as I was hired under the old contract. So this is why it is best to only speak of your own pilot group and do what you feel is best at your company since you do not live in the shoes of us at PSA. So I would not expect you to know a person in their first year has no vote and does not pay union dues even (as we have no voice). Well, now you know.

And like anyone else in this industry. I just play the game. Whether I voted for it or not, I work under the rules of the contract since it is now the only choice I have. And whether zi agree or disagree with the contract terms, it is what it is. So I go in, do my job, go home, and get experience so someday I can get a better job with better pay and better quality of life. And I also look forward to a future contract negotiation where I can vote and express an opinion that will count.
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Of course, your hands are clean- nothing to do but crow about how your peers sold the rest of us out.

All the various regional airline MECs got together to talk about how they could work together to better everybody's situation. You know who got invited but didn't show up? PSA.
PSA = Pilot Subsidized Airlines. Nice work, sell out!
 
Firebird2XC said:
Of course, your hands are clean- nothing to do but crow about how your peers sold the rest of us out.

All the various regional airline MECs got together to talk about how they could work together to better everybody's situation. You know who got invited but didn't show up? PSA.
PSA = Pilot Subsidized Airlines. Nice work, sell out!
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Hammering on a guy who had nothing to do with it is a waste of time.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Of course, your hands are clean- nothing to do but crow about how your peers sold the rest of us out.

All the various regional airline MECs got together to talk about how they could work together to better everybody's situation. You know who got invited but didn't show up? PSA.
PSA = Pilot Subsidized Airlines. Nice work, sell out!
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huh, what?
 
T/O w/FSII said:
huh, what?
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Pilot Groups/stakeholders came together sent letters out in support, for unity, invited other pilot groups to support stand ground. One regional pilot group (PSA) voted for concessions/TA with this Major airline carrier.

So, I think he's talking/venting about the pilot group at PSA as a whole not standing their ground, or supporting the unifying effort/cause to benefit the regional airline pilot group as a profession/industry.

I don't think that comment was geared at the blame-less individual at PSA.. I'm very confident the mindset is: Although blame-less and innocent, the "sheep" (@TexasFlyer) through joining the herd (PSA Pilot Group) has acquired the stains & sins of the herd as viewed by the other sheeps and herds in the industry (Pilots and Pilot Groups in the regional airline industry fighting for better contracts).

Pardon my analogy but It's like being born into sin, but then saying hey it's not my fault. It's Adams & Eve's fault.

I think that's what that whole statement above by @Firebird2XC means.
 
Classes are close to full. Was up in corp for differences training for the 700. 26 in the current class. Looks like 40 to 50 a month coming in total each month (2 seperate classes).

Upgrade. Quick. Mainline is pulling a lot of our Captains. Upgrade classes every month are running. Things look good overall.


As for me. One month of short call. Then a couple months on long call. In 4th month I already held a line. As soon as I get my 1000 hours 121 time a Captain upgrade should have my name on it not long after that. So my estimate. 18 to 24 months to upgrade under the present conditions and rules. 5 to 6 years total time before mainline calls you to them (under current market conditions).
 
TexasFlyer said:
Classes are close to full. Was up in corp for differences training for the 700. 26 in the current class. Looks like 40 to 50 a month coming in total each month (2 seperate classes).

Upgrade. Quick. Mainline is pulling a lot of our Captains. Upgrade classes every month are running. Things look good overall.


As for me. One month of short call. Then a couple months on long call. In 4th month I already held a line. As soon as I get my 1000 hours 121 time a Captain upgrade should have my name on it not long after that. So my estimate. 18 to 24 months to upgrade under the present conditions and rules. 5 to 6 years total time before mainline calls you to them (under current market conditions).
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What's the difference between short/long call? I'm 135 so I'm not familiar.
 
alphasierra01 said:
What's the difference between short/long call? I'm 135 so I'm not familiar.
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At my base in Knoxville Short Call means that we are on a one hour call out. So when scheduling calls we have one hour to get to the airport (although usually they give much more notice, one hour is the minimum required). You get a block from about 5am to 6pm or 11am to Midnight for your Short Call availability. Of course if they do not call you by the time 2/3 of your waiting game is done, they likely can not use you since you will not be able to fly without timing out. In Knoxville you do not have to sit at the airport while on call. You can roam as you please. But of course don't roam too far. I sat that month at my cabin relaxing in the mountains while on call since my cabin is about a 40 minute drive to the airport.

Long Call is a 12 hour call out. You are on call 24 hours, but you get a minimum of 12 hours notice before you need to be at the airport to begin a trip. This is really nice and I enjoyed it. And the best part is, you can not start before 10am on your first day of Long Call. So no early call out that first day. And since the last flight out of Knoxville tends to be anywhere from 6:30pm to 10pm depending on the day, If that phone did not ring prior to 10am with a voicemail about a trip you clearly would have the day off completely since now they can not give you a 12 hour call out.

We also get a minimum of 11 days off per month where they can not call you. So I would group my on-call days. I would work 5 days on call, 1 day off, 6 days on call, 5 days off, 6 days on call, 5 days off, 2 days on call. I get called to work on 4 of the days or 5 days on call to work on average. So several of the on-call days I end up having off. Which gave me 11 hard days off per month and just by luck about 3 or 4 more days off per month. So not bad for the industry as I heard much worse schedules and work rules on scheduling from my friends at 3 other regionals.

I now hold a line. I have a schedule where I have 12 days off. But with our work rules, having the schedule pays me about 20% more in pay each month than I made on reserve. So the good is I make more holding a line with 12 days off. The bad part is I usually had 14 or 15 days off on reserve which was nice. So take your pick. Long call reserve and make out guaranteed minimum pay. Or work 20% more holding a line, but I get paid 20% more. So it pretty much works out. But I did hear we are running a bit short on pilots now due to our growth and mainline pulling a lot of our Captains to classes at American. So the assumption is Long Call reserve and Short call will likely be working more than I experienced while on call.
 
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