PSA needs 400 new hire pilots in 2014

CLTFlyGuy said:
Let me clarify one thing though. I personally was not and still am not a fan of the TA that passed at PSA. Especially since a contract was just ratified 3 months earlier. I believe those jets were coming either way. I hope you and your pilot group does do the right thing and show your solidarity that I hear and see you always posting you have. I just don't know if everyone has the same "fight fight" attitude that you do which is a shame.
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Saying you didn't support this after the fact doesn't do anyone any good.

Where were you BEFORE the vote?

As for the folks that you think will wavering- do you think I chose the slogan 'NO CONCESSIONS, NO WAVERING' by accident?

It's time to stand up and be show the strength and resolve that comes with being a pilot and vote this horrible joke of an 'offer' down.
 
ppragman said:
The jumpseat war: So management doesn't even have to divide and conquer.
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Jumpseat war; the only thing that made American Airlines management change their policy to allow unlimited jumpseating for Endeavor. But we aren't suppose to talk about it of course. Oops.

I'm not saying you stick a knife in the neck of every jerk you come across, but you do it for a few hereand there and the world is a better place. That was vivid wasn't it children?

Airline pilots overuse jumpseat wars just like they overuse the word scab. That doesn't mean you don't ever use it.
 
Remember there is still 30some% that voted no. Why deny a jumpseater? If anything, get the yes voter in there and tell him how you feel about him.

Just a question for the PSA folks, so I can understand this. A nonnegotiable contract for 10 years, with pay caps and rising
medical costs And of course a little thing
called inflation which will rise over the next
10 years...how is that not a pay cut?


Not even mention the trail of destruction that you have left behind for fellow pilots coming up behind you. "Yeah i finally have 1500, now i can go work at psa for less than i made flying my cessna"
 
MOONWOLF said:
Remember there is still 30some% that voted no. Why deny a jumpseater? If anything, get the yes voter in there and tell him how you feel about him.

Just a question for the PSA folks, so I can understand this. A nonnegotiable contract for 10 years, with pay caps and rising
medical costs And of course a little thing
called inflation which will rise over the next
10 years...how is that not a pay cut?


Not even mention the trail of destruction that you have left behind for fellow pilots coming up behind you. "Yeah i finally have 1500, now i can go work at psa for less than i made flying my cessna"
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Tho the first part of your post has some credibility, the last piece regarding cessna pay would only be true for the first year. And, how is that so different for any other regional? My intent with this thread was to see if there were any interested in working with a growth company. I knew I risked what actually happened to it..the hijack...which is why I ducked out. And by the way, no pilot worth his salt will sit in a seat long enough to see those "capped rates" at PSA.
Some of the posts in here (and others involving the latest goings on for ALPA ffd carriers) are admirable and I agree that in a perfect world we should all have a sit in, or strike or whatever. But....as my 3 year old is quickly learning about life: sometimes standing so solid on principle that you plug your ears and stomp your feet, will cause you more harm than playing the game, bending a little and coming out un-harmed even tho you "feel" like you have lost what you wanted. Problem is "feeling", and acting on them rather than logic. Kicking and screaming and closing off communications (like some ffd pilot groups) does more damage to the profession and work conditions than just manning up and taking some "concessions" in order to keep the whole ship afloat. I didn't get a vote being in my first year, but I am good with what they voted in and believe that these folks took the more seasoned path to end stagnation in their careers, iso just stomping their feet and plugging their ears until the powers that be kick em to the corner.... how often do toddlers win their way with that type of behavior?
And for those pounding their chests about denying jumpseats....must be all talk, I haven't met a co worker yet who has had one denied. The guys at the majors aren't paying that much attention to the shennanigans, and the others...well...??
 
MOONWOLF said:
Remember there is still 30some% that voted no. Why deny a jumpseater? If anything, get the yes voter in there and tell him how you feel about him.
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Actually if you add the 39% that voted no to the people that didn't even vote at all(stupid) to the pilots on first year pay(not allowed to vote) there is a way higher than 50% chance that the PSA pilot you are talking to did not vote yes.
 
I did not post in quite some time. But I must say. This thread is stupid. At this point I am simply just happy to wake up, go to work, do my job, go home, and then get paid for doing what I enjoy. All along knowing that the experience is going in the "will get me to the next step in my career check box."

The bottom line here. If you want to make your career at a Regional, go to Skywest since they seem to be the top shelf regional according to most. And word on the street is you can spend your career there. If you want to work with good people and get experience and then move on to better things than a regional, PSA is a great place to consider along with many other carriers out there who will provide this opportunity. And if you want a lot of drama in life, there are a few regionals that can provide that for you as well

The way I figure. Pick your airline to work at that suites your needs whether it be pay, work rules, commute, bases, etc. Then fight your battle at your airline within your specific pilot group by simply being a voice and voting in your best interest when such an opportunity presents itself. Stay out of the politics and business of other pilot groups since those pilots will do what they feel is best for them. And what is best for them, may not be best for your pilot group. Simply, set the example to follow at your own airline. Lead by example. Vote in good faith. And hope the result is the one you desire.
 
TexasFlyer said:
I did not post in quite some time. But I must say. This thread is stupid. At this point I am simply just happy to wake up, go to work, do my job, go home, and then get paid for doing what I enjoy. All along knowing that the experience is going in the "will get me to the next step in my career check box."

The bottom line here. If you want to make your career at a Regional, go to Skywest since they seem to be the top shelf regional according to most. And word on the street is you can spend your career there. If you want to work with good people and get experience and then move on to better things than a regional, PSA is a great place to consider along with many other carriers out there who will provide this opportunity. And if you want a lot of drama in life, there are a few regionals that can provide that for you as well

The way I figure. Pick your airline to work at that suites your needs whether it be pay, work rules, commute, bases, etc. Then fight your battle at your airline within your specific pilot group by simply being a voice and voting in your best interest when such an opportunity presents itself. Stay out of the politics and business of other pilot groups since those pilots will do what they feel is best for them. And what is best for them, may not be best for your pilot group. Simply, set the example to follow at your own airline. Lead by example. Vote in good faith. And hope the result is the one you desire.
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Says the guy hired at PSA last fall.

Nice job, yes voter. You've been in the business and sold everybody out. Good for you.
 
Ziggyfuzz said:
Tho the first part of your post has some credibility, the last piece regarding cessna pay would only be true for the first year. And, how is that so different for any other regional? My intent with this thread was to see if there were any interested in working with a growth company. I knew I risked what actually happened to it..the hijack...which is why I ducked out. And by the way, no pilot worth his salt will sit in a seat long enough to see those "capped rates" at PSA.
Some of the posts in here (and others involving the latest goings on for ALPA ffd carriers) are admirable and I agree that in a perfect world we should all have a sit in, or strike or whatever. But....as my 3 year old is quickly learning about life: sometimes standing so solid on principle that you plug your ears and stomp your feet, will cause you more harm than playing the game, bending a little and coming out un-harmed even tho you "feel" like you have lost what you wanted. Problem is "feeling", and acting on them rather than logic. Kicking and screaming and closing off communications (like some ffd pilot groups) does more damage to the profession and work conditions than just manning up and taking some "concessions" in order to keep the whole ship afloat. I didn't get a vote being in my first year, but I am good with what they voted in and believe that these folks took the more seasoned path to end stagnation in their careers, iso just stomping their feet and plugging their ears until the powers that be kick em to the corner.... how often do toddlers win their way with that type of behavior?
And for those pounding their chests about denying jumpseats....must be all talk, I haven't met a co worker yet who has had one denied. The guys at the majors aren't paying that much attention to the shennanigans, and the others...well...??
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When you get to talkin like this, you sound panicked
 
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