New FAA Writtens (ATPw = 30h ground + 6hr Level C Sim from Aug-14)

ahw01

ahw01

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There has recently been a concerted push to remove obsolete test questions and to map questions to learning outcomes from the PTS and harmonize some of the syllabuses and pilot handbooks. More detail here:

http://johnandmartha.kingschools.com/2013/07/05/on-airman-certification-standards/

An interesting aspect of this is that to take the ATP written, a ground course graduate certificate will be needed, which means 30 hours in classroom plus 6 hours in a level C Sim, which pushes up the cost considerably.

http://glendale-flyers.com/new-faa-atp-rules.html

I still toy with taking either the FEX or the ATP written, not because I might do the training for the certificate(s) or make the ATP hour requirements by Aug-2016, but for proficiency, and also ease of doing so - I guess quite a few people might be making a rush to get the written knocked out before then?

Alex.
 
Man,

I would do absolutely everything in your power to get it done prior to that date.

It sounds like it will be an absolute s#&* show after.

I would not want to be one of the first guinea pigs.
 
I did mine a while back at ATP.

I did not study for one single second. I was in the door by 8, instructor showed at 830. I was done with a 92% by 2pm.
 
Yeah I saw the ATP prep, it won't take me long to get up to scratch - I thought it was all on computer, no instructor.

Definitely going to knock it out by then,
 
Seems like regionals would need to foot the bill for the new requirements to make this reasonable. If it costs the 10k that one of those articles says, I'm not sure how a CFI plugging away to get to 1500hrs could afford it.
 
One presumes you knock the written out before August and then you're exempt from the training requirements, as long as you meet the hours and take the practical by August '16?

Alex.
 
ahw01 said:
Yeah I saw the ATP prep, it won't take me long to get up to scratch - I thought it was all on computer, no instructor.

Definitely going to knock it out by then,
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The instructor is only there to take your money and start the program. He also serves as the test proctor.

It's all computer.
 
Written done by Jul 31, 2014 - exempt from ATPC course as long as you complete a checkride by Jul 31, 2016. I would recommend looking at Sheppard Air for test prep. It's only $75 and you do it all on your home computer. They guarantee you get 90% or better. I used it on mine and it saved tons of time.

Question is....what happens once the rule takes place? I've heard estimates that the ATP Cert course will probably run about $10K to complete at a 142 facility. Surely, someone is going to make a push to create a more feasible option for people to do this outside of the airline training environment.
 
Another thread to remind myself I need to get that written done. The clock is ticking! I'll have ATP mins well before August 2016, no need to shoot myself in the foot.

One idea I had, was that maybe if airlines become desperate enough, after interviewing an applicant they will put them through an ATP course? Maybe airlines might even contract out services to a specific school to get their hired pilot's ATP course done. It's only a matter of time.


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Looks like it might be an idea to go the 135 route at 500 hours with the written in the bag, or is this closed off from Aug-14 too?
 
+1 for Sheppard. Follow their study guide, memorize their cheat sheet, and you'll have no trouble. Their course is a tremendous value.
 
ahw01 said:
Looks like it might be an idea to go the 135 route at 500 hours with the written in the bag, or is this closed off from Aug-14 too?
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No, you just need times to take the ATP checkride before your ATP written expires. After July 31, 2014, the FAA is requiring specific coursework to be completed before being allowed to take the ATP written.


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I was hoping flying Part 135 might help build from 500-1000+ hours before Aug '16, I didn't know if the new rules needed Part 135 co-pilots to have ATP by then also or if a Comm Pilot Cert was all that was needed vs an ATP for part 121?
 
ahw01 said:
I was hoping flying Part 135 might help build from 500-1000+ hours before Aug '16, I didn't know if the new rules needed Part 135 co-pilots to have ATP by then also or if a Comm Pilot Cert was all that was needed vs an ATP for part 121?
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You don't need your ATP to fly part 135. I have a few friends building all the time they need at 135 jobs.


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If you go 121 or 135 route then you can use an expired written test for the Checkride. Me: written completed Aug 06/ Checkride completed Dec 13.
 
Good to know, only the green card aspect to solve (for me) I guess, the alternative was CFI, but it looks like part 135 is as good an option to build time.

Interesting aspects here though:

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ot-rule-presents-challenges-and-opportunities

Whether I seek to make it a full time career or not I should make sure I keep options open, just as the Class 1 medical MFT I took earlier last year.

Taking writtens help keep up proficiency as well as making sure I can step up to ATP as needed.

Alex.
 
subpilot said:
If you go 121 or 135 route then you can use an expired written test for the Checkride. Me: written completed Aug 06/ Checkride completed Dec 13.
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Will they honour that post Aug'14, given continuous 121 or 135 links? Sounds good.
 
ahw01 said:
Good to know, only the green card aspect to solve (for me) I guess, the alternative was CFI, but it looks like part 135 is as good an option to build time.
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CFI might be a good route to get to an IFR 135 job. Never hurts to have your CFI either.


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Taking writtens to maintain proficiency? All FAA tests do is extort money from you and test your ability to memorize stuff that has little practical application to your everyday job.

When you are ready to take the test (if you want to a avoid the rush, do it before July), buy Sheppard Air prep, spend an hour a day with it for 2-3 weeks and go take the test. The alternative is doing the "test passed in a day" program from one of the pilot mills, but it is essentially an instructor facilitated Sheppard Air.

Sheppard Air is $75 well spent. I put in about a 40 percent effort, got an 88 on the written, and felt good enough about it that I didn't ask for my money back, although others have done so and they have gladly ponied up the refund.
 
I have no issues on prep, I take your point on proficiency - maybe I should say challenge or extending knowledge. Though taking it in Jun '13 and then taking however long to build up the hours to take the practical doesn't exactly help proficiency does it!

How many hours did you have when you took it @subpilot?
 
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