JetBlue worries about losing pilots

Screaming_Emu said:
Just saying that maybe you don't quite understand what the last 6-7 years have been like for the rest of us who couldn't afford to pass go and collect $200.
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I was a regional FO for five years at one of the worst paying regionals in the country. I think I have some idea.

But regardless, the degree to which you've suffered with long upgrade times doesn't change the value of command experience. It isn't the responsibility of the major carriers to adjust the minimums to meet your desires.
 
I really think somewhere along the lines the lines became crossed. I'm not sure anyone is saying that those gosh darn major carriers MUST adjust their requirements to meet phantom pilot X's desires.

Unless I missed it.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I was a regional FO for five years at one of the worst paying regionals in the country. I think I have some idea.

But regardless, the degree to which you've suffered with long upgrade times doesn't change the value of command experience. It isn't the responsibility of the major carriers to adjust the minimums to meet your desires.
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Hired Gulfstream age 18-19, Pinnacle at 19, had to wait by law to upgrade (age 23), upgrades, and then AirTran at 25. Oh yes, you have suffered.

Your notion that majors require TPIC hasn't been true for quite some time now, even before 9/11. The only carriers requiring TPIC today as minimums are Southwest and FedEx. Everyone else does not and all of them have hired highly experienced RJ FOs.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Hired Gulfstream age 18-19, Pinnacle at 19, had to wait by law to upgrade (age 23), upgrades, and then AirTran at 25. Oh yes, you have suffered.
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Where exactly did I claim to have suffered?

Your notion that majors require TPIC hasn't been true for quite some time now, even before 9/11. The only carriers requiring TPIC today as minimums are Southwest and FedEx. Everyone else does not and all of them have hired highly experienced RJ FOs.
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Before 9/11, getting hired without TPIC time was possible, but very rare. The 1,000 TPIC mark was the usual time for the phone call. Sorry, but requiring TPIC has been the norm for a very long time. There are always exceptions, just like you can find a few people here and there without a college degree, but that's not the norm.
 
surreal1221 said:
I really think somewhere along the lines the lines became crossed. I'm not sure anyone is saying that those gosh darn major carriers MUST adjust their requirements to meet phantom pilot X's desires.

Unless I missed it.
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I certainly wouldn't be against that.

I just think whether you're good at this job has a lot more to do with attitude than anything else. But if you're not sitting in the right seat helping to make the decisions (or at the very least, if your input isn't welcome, making those decisions in your head and weighing the outcome) you're doing something wrong. If we're holding, you bet your ass I'm coming up with my own BINGO fuel and escape plan. Its good practice and then the two of you can compare numbers to make sure you're not missing something.
 
Emu, I'm glad you're doing that, but I can tell you that a lot of FOs I flew with certainly weren't. Many were just bumps on a log. Until they are put in the position of actually having to make the decisions, they aren't going to, because they don't have to. Once put in the hot seat, though, it's all on them. A couple of years of that is important, and I see no reason for any airline to hire anyone without that experience as long as those pilots are available.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Before 9/11, getting hired without TPIC time was possible, but very rare. The 1,000 TPIC mark was the usual time for the phone call. Sorry, but requiring TPIC has been the norm for a very long time. There are always exceptions, just like you can find a few people here and there without a college degree, but that's not the norm.
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Norm is a shifting target. As times change, so too do the generally accepted "norms" by which we measure. We're seeing that now with a slow shift from requiring 1000tpic.
 
US Air doesn't want captains with lots of experience.......I wonder why.

Captain is god mentality is dead. You learn to work with your crew or you will be very Lonely.
 
matman said:
US Air doesn't want captains with lots of experience.......I wonder why.
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Probably because people with lots of experience don't stick around when you're only paying narrowbody captains $124/hr.

Captain is god mentality is dead. You learn to work with your crew or you will be very Lonely.
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Good thing no one is arguing in favor of a captain is god mentality.
 
matman said:
US Air doesn't want captains with lots of experience.......I wonder why.

Captain is god mentality is dead. You learn to work with your crew or you will be very Lonely.
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where did you
get that info from? They are hiring mostly RJ captains.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Probably because people with lots of experience don't stick around when you're only paying narrowbody captains $124/hr.

Good thing no one is arguing in favor of a captain is god mentality.
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How can that be? They are a union carrier. :rolleyes:

Before 9/11, getting hired without TPIC time was possible, but very rare. The 1,000 TPIC mark was the usual time for the phone call. Sorry, but requiring TPIC has been the norm for a very long time. There are always exceptions, just like you can find a few people here and there without a college degree, but that's not the norm.
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Before 9/11, most regionals didn't have stagnation. Movement was relatively quick and as someone mentioned, in those days if you were a 5-6 year FO then something was wrong. Seniority at regionals for the most part wasn't an issue and it was a revolving door.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
How can that be? They are a union carrier.
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Thanks for the laugh! :bounce:

Before 9/11, most regionals didn't have stagnation. Movement was relatively quick and as someone mentioned, in those days if you were a 5-6 year FO then something was wrong. Seniority at regionals for the most part wasn't an issue and it was a revolving door.
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Again, I don't care. Industry stagnation is no excuse for lowering standards. You aren't entitled to a major airline job in a specified period of time.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Thanks for the laugh! :bounce:

Again, I don't care. Industry stagnation is no excuse for lowering standards. You aren't entitled to a major airline job in a specified period of time.
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Meh, to each his own. Pilots for the most part don't have a say in airline minimum requirements when it's largely HR/management making those decisions.

And yes USAPA is a legal bargaining agent group for the US Airways pilots. It used to be ALPA!
 
Kingairer said:
where did you
get that info from? They are hiring mostly RJ captains.
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Yes they are. But not pilots that haven't had a "major training event in the last five years" which is a type ride or initial training event. So 5+ year captains are not getting called.

I've seen LCA's from my airline get rejected for even an interview.
 
matman said:
Yes they are. But not pilots that haven't had a "major training event in the last five years" which is a type ride or initial training event. So 5+ year captains are not getting called.

I've seen LCA's from my airline get rejected for even an interview.
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