stormchaser
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It's possible the blank area is a speaker. Anything on the Captain's side that you don't have may be on the opposite side??? A couple more pics to help you decide...
Sabreliner pilots? I just got one...sorta...
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swisspilot
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Not in the US, but when I was living in Brazil I went to visit the former training facility of VARIG (defunct national carrier), the whole facility is on an island which looks like straight out of LOST. They still had couple sims working but most of the buildings were abandoned, inside they literally look like they did the day the airline went bust and closed. Anyway they had so many old sims, full motion of a DC10, 737-200 and a 707 plus a FTD of a 727, which was like brand new. I think they sold the whole place recently and rumors are that all the sims went to a junkyard.
swisspilot
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found couple pics I took of the 727 FTD
I don't have that big speaker, or the emergency horizon panel (what is that even for?). I don't understand why the speaker is there, when there are already two other speakers in the cockpit (behind the pilots).
I did notice the Sabreliner in the pics is a 65, mine is a 60. Wonder if there were any big differences on the consoles, or if it was more dependent on the equipment of each particular plane?
Looks like if I can find the speaker and put it on the right side, plus maybe the second oxygen panel or the flight director panel, I will fill up the right console. I still don't know where the APU controls are, that is a puzzler.
Quick question for Luis (or any other Sabreliner pilots): with the autopilot stuff right below my throttles, I have a panel that has heading and course selector knobs, and two buttons for the pilot and co-pilot sides. It looks like remote selectors for the HSIs, but the pilot and co-pilot buttons can be pressed simultaneously. Is this actually a remote selector knob, or is it something specific to the autopilot? The original HSIs are one of the things that were not part of the deal, so I don't know if they had their own course and heading knobs or not.
Too bad I don't have the $$$ to just go get a Sabreliner type rating in STL, that would answer all sorts of questions I will be facing with this project.
Matt
I did notice the Sabreliner in the pics is a 65, mine is a 60. Wonder if there were any big differences on the consoles, or if it was more dependent on the equipment of each particular plane?
Looks like if I can find the speaker and put it on the right side, plus maybe the second oxygen panel or the flight director panel, I will fill up the right console. I still don't know where the APU controls are, that is a puzzler.
Quick question for Luis (or any other Sabreliner pilots): with the autopilot stuff right below my throttles, I have a panel that has heading and course selector knobs, and two buttons for the pilot and co-pilot sides. It looks like remote selectors for the HSIs, but the pilot and co-pilot buttons can be pressed simultaneously. Is this actually a remote selector knob, or is it something specific to the autopilot? The original HSIs are one of the things that were not part of the deal, so I don't know if they had their own course and heading knobs or not.
Too bad I don't have the $$$ to just go get a Sabreliner type rating in STL, that would answer all sorts of questions I will be facing with this project.
Matt
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found couple pics I took of the 727 FTD
there she is
In this photo, there are similiarities and differences from the T-39 to your Saber 60. The panel wall, you have the diagonal microphone holder, vent forward of that, ash tray, then compass correction card holder. Front part of side console, is the O2 panel, then the ICS panel (push button on the 60, switches on the T-39), on some models of the T-39 that speaker looking panel is just a covered area or an extended portion of a different style ICS panel, then of course there are the interior light rheostats.
Don't have that in the -39; below the throttle quadrant and start switches quadrant, is the combo cabin air /flaps/rudder trim/landing-taxi lights panel, and below that the emergency brake T-handle and interior floodlight rheostats.
///AMG
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Funny thing is that the oxygen regulator in the original photo is the same one that we had in the T-34C when I was in flight school. Probably the same one used across the board in mil aircraft for a long time I'd guess, though I've only flown newer aircraft with either OBOGS or newer LOX systems since. But I bet it is the same in the old jets, just like we still have the same 8 day or 10 day or whatever day clock that Orville and Wilbur flew with.
Also, as a little kid, I remember my dad taking me to the aviation maintenance school hangar at the college he managed. The coolest thing in the world for this little kid at that age was the T-39 they had. It was basically a fighter jet in my eyes at the time. I'd still probably recognize the smell.......I made him let me into it almost every time I visited him at work. Never spent any time in the T-39G that they used for NFO training, but I heard it was an absolute death trap. Among other things, if the battery packs in the tail overheated, I heard they had like less than 5 mins to land before the tail failed structurally. I know they lost one doing a low level in Georgia while I was in advanced jet school. I think there might have been another, but I can't remember for sure.
Also, as a little kid, I remember my dad taking me to the aviation maintenance school hangar at the college he managed. The coolest thing in the world for this little kid at that age was the T-39 they had. It was basically a fighter jet in my eyes at the time. I'd still probably recognize the smell.......I made him let me into it almost every time I visited him at work. Never spent any time in the T-39G that they used for NFO training, but I heard it was an absolute death trap. Among other things, if the battery packs in the tail overheated, I heard they had like less than 5 mins to land before the tail failed structurally. I know they lost one doing a low level in Georgia while I was in advanced jet school. I think there might have been another, but I can't remember for sure.
PilotoSVVA
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I don't have that big speaker, or the emergency horizon panel (what is that even for?). I don't understand why the speaker is there, when there are already two other speakers in the cockpit (behind the pilots).
I did notice the Sabreliner in the pics is a 65, mine is a 60. Wonder if there were any big differences on the consoles, or if it was more dependent on the equipment of each particular plane?
Looks like if I can find the speaker and put it on the right side, plus maybe the second oxygen panel or the flight director panel, I will fill up the right console. I still don't know where the APU controls are, that is a puzzler.
Quick question for Luis (or any other Sabreliner pilots): with the autopilot stuff right below my throttles, I have a panel that has heading and course selector knobs, and two buttons for the pilot and co-pilot sides. It looks like remote selectors for the HSIs, but the pilot and co-pilot buttons can be pressed simultaneously. Is this actually a remote selector knob, or is it something specific to the autopilot? The original HSIs are one of the things that were not part of the deal, so I don't know if they had their own course and heading knobs or not.
Too bad I don't have the $$$ to just go get a Sabreliner type rating in STL, that would answer all sorts of questions I will be facing with this project.
Matt
Well, I'm not familiar with that autopilot since we have a Collins APS-80. Can be seen in this picture of our cockpit:
In the picture above, my autopilot is under the heading and course knobs (can't be seen).
I'm doing my best to trying to explain myself
I'm going to give you a quick example to make sure you understand. (Because english is not my forte jajaja
)Let's say I'm flying as Pilot Monitoring, my job right after takeoff, after raising the gear, is to press heading, altitude select modes (on the captain's autopilot) and engage the yaw damper. That is going to activate the V-Bars only on the Captain's ADI, if I don't press the same buttons on my autopilot I'm going to get an orange light on the glareshield called ATT (for attitude) letting me know that I don't have the same options selected in case I'm going to use my autopilot.
I hope you understand..!
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Corporate Pilot
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I have almost 100 hours in a Sabreliner 60 and a type but that was almost 20 years ago. I still have my training manual at the hangar, any idea of a good place in Dallas to get it scanned and sent to you? There were several mods done to the 60's so the cockpit layout can be very different between aircraft, I do not remember any having APU's. Ours had a rather large round tiller on the Captain's side panel for the nose wheel steering.
I know two retired pilots that have several thousand hours in Sabres that should be able to answer some of the questions you have. PM me some of the questions.
I know two retired pilots that have several thousand hours in Sabres that should be able to answer some of the questions you have. PM me some of the questions.
CFI A&P
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Luis, your pic is not showing for some reason. I think I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense, but then why the heading and course selection knobs? Perhaps since these knobs do directly affect the AP even if they are actually for setting the heading and course on either HSI, that is why they were located in the center panel? I think I like having them on the HSI itself, but oh well.
I am not ready to start buying up instruments yet, but I am keeping an eye out.....it seems like the odd rectangular HSIs will be hard to come by.
I did score one airspeed indicator...it appears the DC-9 used an identical unit. There aren't many "Sabreliner" airspeed indicators around, but there are some DC-9 parts.
I have more or less decided to acquire or make an APU panel to fill up some of the mystery space on the right console. The more I look at it, the more I think that's what went there. There is no other place for it, really. I think between that and a flight director panel, I can fill up the space.
Stormchaser, I just noticed that with the 65 you posted links/pics to, there is a photo of a funky looking alien creature above the pilot's side window!
I am chomping at the bit to get started on the cockpit, but I have to get the shop built first. I don't know if that will happen before cold weather sets in. I couldn't resist starting work on converting the servo altimeter I picked up a while back...it is proving to be a challenge!
Matt
I am not ready to start buying up instruments yet, but I am keeping an eye out.....it seems like the odd rectangular HSIs will be hard to come by.
I did score one airspeed indicator...it appears the DC-9 used an identical unit. There aren't many "Sabreliner" airspeed indicators around, but there are some DC-9 parts.I have more or less decided to acquire or make an APU panel to fill up some of the mystery space on the right console. The more I look at it, the more I think that's what went there. There is no other place for it, really. I think between that and a flight director panel, I can fill up the space.
Stormchaser, I just noticed that with the 65 you posted links/pics to, there is a photo of a funky looking alien creature above the pilot's side window!
I am chomping at the bit to get started on the cockpit, but I have to get the shop built first. I don't know if that will happen before cold weather sets in. I couldn't resist starting work on converting the servo altimeter I picked up a while back...it is proving to be a challenge!
Matt
I was at Reno for his last show in the Shrike. I was just a kid, early teens. I used to go on Microsoft FS after his show and try and duplicate it. Lots of red screens.
Tsunamimike
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Hey guys. I know this is an old post. But I thought I would give you my input. I recently acquired a 1961 Sabreliner CT-39A from an A&P School. I removed just about every major component and then scrapped everything but the horizontal stab, the leading edge slats and the cockpit. The airplane came with every single parts breakdown and maintenance manual as well as the flight manuals. If you would like copies of any of the pages, please let me know. I would be happy to help out in anyway that I can.
Tsunamimike
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Here are some pictures of the project. I will be making this into a simulator. I hope to add motion as well.
Believe it or not, my brother-in-law broke the wings off with a hammer. The aluminum literally shattered with each blow.
Believe it or not, my brother-in-law broke the wings off with a hammer. The aluminum literally shattered with each blow.
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Dan208B
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FSI STL folks are pretty cool. If you can't afford a full type, do you have an easy way to get over there? I have friends that could get you in touch with the right people to at least sit in it for a while and maybe talk to an instructor rated in it.
Johnny Beau Bekkestad
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I know nothing about Sabreliner, but i have plenty of experience of rebuilding scrap airplanes to simulators. Just ask and i'll help you out
killbilly
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@ZapBrannigan - didn't you fly Saberliners back in the day?
