SWA Landing gear collapse at LGA

Firebird2XC said:
Reasonable enough. I'm sure you remember how riddled with old codgers Eagle is. I can't wait until they all flow to AA.
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It's not necessarily just 'old codgers' over there, but sure.

There are some folks in this industry who shouldn't be up front.
 
Firebird2XC said:
One of our most infamous flowed to AA and allegedly had trouble with the training so he told them he needed medical leave because he was HEARING VOICES. I'm sure he got that leave, but hey- when you invent the windows in the space shuttle, you've always got someplace to go, right? ;)
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Oh Em Gee I remember that guy.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if he actually WAS hearing voices. He's a freak and a weirdo and spins tales & lies the likes of which would make any fiction writer's head explode.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Makes me wonder what was eating that SWA Captain that made her feel as if she had to take the controls at awkward times so often. Maybe she, like others, needed some help with the proverbial thorn in her paw that so often gets to all of us.
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Based on what's in this thread, and what I've heard riding a few jump seats, this doesn't sound like a thorn in a paw. It sounds more like "Napoleon'ism."
 
Ian J said:
We use that in my small portion of the Army world, and while it mostly is helpful for safety, it can sometimes be a pain in the ass.

Flight of two out of Ft. Drum to KRME - was lead. Weather was sketchy - about 700 ft ceilings. Visibility under the ceiling was fine. Mission had to be done VFR. I reviewed all obstacles along the route and felt comfortable with the flight. The PC of chalk two did not, and questioned it over the radio. Sigh. With the "speak up and let me know" philosophy, I was willing to turn the flight around but sure as hell wasn't happy about it. His concerns had nothing to do with regulations or safety - it had to do with his comfort level flying VFR with low ceilings. From my point of view, in class G airspace we need clear of clouds and a half mile during the day - as long as you know where you are and what the obstacles are, where is the danger? It's what we're trained for and paid to do.

Luckily, right around the decision making time, the weather improved a bit and he got more comfortable. But I really would have turned the flight around if he wanted me to.
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CRM: After both people lobby for their sides, whoever is most scared wins.
 
Ian J said:
We use that in my small portion of the Army world, and while it mostly is helpful for safety, it can sometimes be a pain in the ass.

Flight of two out of Ft. Drum to KRME - was lead. Weather was sketchy - about 700 ft ceilings. Visibility under the ceiling was fine. Mission had to be done VFR. I reviewed all obstacles along the route and felt comfortable with the flight. The PC of chalk two did not, and questioned it over the radio. Sigh. With the "speak up and let me know" philosophy, I was willing to turn the flight around but sure as hell wasn't happy about it. His concerns had nothing to do with regulations or safety - it had to do with his comfort level flying VFR with low ceilings. From my point of view, in class G airspace we need clear of clouds and a half mile during the day - as long as you know where you are and what the obstacles are, where is the danger? It's what we're trained for and paid to do.

Luckily, right around the decision making time, the weather improved a bit and he got more comfortable. But I really would have turned the flight around if he wanted me to.
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Agree that the Army approach to CRM has its' drawbacks, but it does identify a lot of training issues that can then be addressed. And it does make for some interesting flights! If the airlines adopted this same philosophy, the Colgon crash would not have occurred.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
It's not necessarily just 'old codgers' over there, but sure.

There are some folks in this industry who shouldn't be up front.
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Ain't that the truth. The problem is differentiating between "having a senior moment" and "this guy needs a 709 ride."
Then you have to factor in the "this guy just doesn't do it as well as like to think I think I could." Once I do that I usually find myself a bit more forgiving. Remember my story about the guy who had insufficient elevator authority at V1 and didn't abort- he retrimmed and went anyways? I got more data on that. To make sure all was kosher, once a bit higher, he did a FULL RANGE OF MOTION flight control check. People wrote letters.... they thought they were all going to die.

MQAAord said:
Oh Em Gee I remember that guy.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if he actually WAS hearing voices. He's a freak and a weirdo and spins tales & lies the likes of which would make any fiction writer's head explode.
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That's another one that didn't belong up front. The tales he would spin were of such a nature I question his grip on reality and therefore his mental fitness to hold a medical. Then we have 'Captain PA', who talks on the PA to the pax the whole flight, including sterile periods, like he's a tram tour operator at Universal Studios.

I don't know why these losers are allowed to continue on, but they are, and somewhere there's an FO that deserves a medal for saving a lot of lives that will never be known.
 
Firebird2XC said:
Ain't that the truth. The problem is differentiating between "having a senior moment" and "this guy needs a 709 ride."
Then you have to factor in the "this guy just doesn't do it as well as like to think I think I could." Once I do that I usually find myself a bit more forgiving. Remember my story about the guy who had insufficient elevator authority at V1 and didn't abort- he retrimmed and went anyways? I got more data on that. To make sure all was kosher, once a bit higher, he did a FULL RANGE OF MOTION flight control check.
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WOT?!

Well, if he's still employed, that's one airline I won't be flying.
 
mshunter said:
Based on what's in this thread, and what I've heard riding a few jump seats, this doesn't sound like a thorn in a paw. It sounds more like "Napoleon'ism."
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Good point. And after my convo with the skipper on the leg in this morning, an interesting question was raised.

The SWA captain that crunched up the nose gear is female, correct? Could gender bias- both for and against- be part of the environment that fosters the attitude that the captain is alleged to have?

The check airman I was just flying with says he still sees gender bias towards female pilots- both for, in the form of regulatory protection, and in manner, via 'protect the girl' man-think, and against, in the form of outright chauvinism. This sort of environment has to become a part of a pilot's approach to things. My first week of ground at the Beagle was taught by a retired female captain- and she had a slew of stories of people who mocked or demeaned her directly or via radio anonymity. Could workplace hostility be creating a dynamic in which a female pilot- especially a captain- has to be aggressive in a manner which can be detrimental to CRM?
 
Derg said:
WOT?!

Well, if he's still employed, that's one airline I won't be flying.
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Alas, he is, and he's on my "trip trade away at any cost/No Fly" list. The knucklehead likes to fly way below Vref on approach, as well. It's like he's taunting the rake of death. (PM Sent.)
 
Seggy said:
A lot of reasons why flows are a horrific idea are being presented in this thread....


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Many of the "top" pilots, like the last place I worked, stayed through a number of hiring waves for very good reason.

Now they're at the front of the herd.

Lovely.

I'm probably going to be a very mean new captain.

"I used to have weekends off! I was #3 on the seniority list at..."

"SHUT UP, BEEYATCH!" :)
 
Seggy said:
A lot of reasons why flows are a horrific idea are being presented in this thread....


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I'm virulently, passionately opposed to flow throughs - and it's not just because I don't get one - it's largely what we're discussing here, along with some of my experiences at two regionals.

"Yeah, no thanks."
 
Firebird2XC said:
Ain't that the truth. The problem is differentiating between "having a senior moment" and "this guy needs a 709 ride." Then you have to factor in the "this guy just doesn't do it as well as like to think I think I could." Once I do that I usually find myself a bit more forgiving. Remember my story about the guy who had insufficient elevator authority at V1 and didn't abort- he retrimmed and went anyways? I got more data on that. To make sure all was kosher, once a bit higher, he did a FULL RANGE OF MOTION flight control check. People wrote letters.... they thought they were all going to die.
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Wait, what?!
 
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