Landing Incident @ SFO

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Muff3n said:
I would be curious to know the experience levels of all of all of the pilots that were aboard this flight. I also find it pretty wild how it seems like nothing was really said until the 7 seconds before impact point. I'm certainly no airline pilot yet, but it looks like getting into a situation like that could have been spotted well before the 7 second until impact mark. It would be interesting to know just how much CRM could have been utilized more with this particular accident as far as the other pilots speaking up about the dangerous situation that was developing.


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Latest says 10,000 TT between the 3 captains on board, not 10k each. Its really tough to believe anything coming from the media but thats the most recent per USA Today.
 
jskibo said:
You're 100% correct though. She was at the hold short line. Had it come in left of centerline they might be pulling gear pieces out of the 747...
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I had missed a lot of this yesterday as I was working part of the day and then we were over at a friends for several hours (and saw and went to help in the small plane crash in Signal Hill) and I am just searching the net/news, trying to catch up, for info and pics today as I am off today for a change, especially overhead pics which seem harder to come by. Can you imagine if she had come down over there? Oh man, I shudder to think. I am heartbroken enough to learn that responders found two bodies out on the field as it is and to read of the latest injuries (very serious) from a new release. So many souls and children. It's just sickening.
 
Never flown a plane with auto-throttles so I have no idea how that works. Assuming they were armed would the only reason the engines would stay at idle is if the wrong speed was bugged?
 
scooter2525 said:
Are they walking the grounds to look for parts that are crash related?
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As mentioned, FOD walk.

boondr said:
RE these pictures, MikeD, do you think the oxygen system could have contributed to the burning of the top of the fuselage?
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Anything and everything is possible, however Id have to see the entire cabin area to determine. The fuselage top may be a fire source in and of itself, but that's rare; especially with the amount of fire seen. I would expect that the fuselage top was moreso crowning, or burn-through of the fuselage itself, secondary to an interior fire of separate origin, as that fire began to self-ventilate. Not too different from any other structure fire.

My thought isn't that the ceiling caught fire itself and burned down into the cabin, but moreso something within the cabin caught fire and eventually the fire crowned. Just from how fire works. But as my first sentence says, anything and everything is possible.
 
mikecweb said:
Never flown a plane with auto-throttles so I have no idea how that works. Assuming they were armed would the only reason the engines would stay at idle is if the wrong speed was bugged?
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Speaking from Gulfstream only background, it all depends on what you have the FGP set up for. If in FLCH mode, they will stay at idle, and the airplane pitches for speed. That's why the discussion on PPW over FLCH vs. VS mode got interesting. From the little I've read on this so far, and the little that's been discussed on the 777 specifically, it sounds like the Boeing products can be set up for an approach, and not have the A/T protect your speed, and even if you do have speed protection in, the A/T system is very sensitive. So, if the PF is trying to come down from being high, hand on the throttles, even in speed protection mode, he could have accidentally overridden any protection he had.

It will be interesting to see what the NTSB and the data determine actually took place to botch a visual with a perfectly good airplane, from what the preliminary data indicate actually happened.
 
SeanD said:
This! 110% worst idea ever. I cringe when I see parents doing this. Just buy a friggin seat for the kid and come prepared. There are many FAA approved child seats out there. We got one for $25.
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I said for many years that having a child on your lap in any aircraft should never ever even be allowed.
 
A Life Aloft said:
I said for many years that having a child on your lap in any aircraft should never ever even be allowed.
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Yup, they really need to do away with it. Im surprised the airlines havent yet. Thats profit money for them, even if they only charge a discounted half weight fee for an extra seat. I guess, they will just keep it going until they have an incident. :rolleyes:
 
A Life Aloft said:
I said for many years that having a child on your lap in any aircraft should never ever even be allowed.
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There is a reason it is allowed. If it required buying a seat, more children would die in car crashes than would be saved from aircraft accidents, because families are price sensitive.

Hard to be in favor of a rule that kills kids.

When it is your own kid, buy them a ticket and a good safety seat.
 
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