Landing Incident @ SFO

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This guy is freaking me out man!
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jynxyjoe said:
I just did a search of both freakonomic books I have and neither mention the study. I can't even find the original reasoning from the FAA (With the help of the airlines I'm sure) which was printed long ago. I want to say this was clear back in '78 or something like that.
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I read the Freakonomics books and listen to the podcast. I think that's where I heard it. I might have remembered their research advocating seat belts instead of car seats for children of a certain age.

I couldn't find anything associating this claim with Freakonomics in a Google search, but this article suggests that the FAA made this point in a 2005 press release.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/mcgee/2008-07-29-lap-children_N.htm
 
A Life Aloft said:
I have to ask...where are the standard callouts before this hot mess? Were they being done? I just don't see/understand how they could have gotten into this situation yet.
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If they were sleeping it would explain a lot.

Turkish Airlines, Colgan 3407 and now Asiana 214 have one thing in common - fatigue.

They were either backside of the clock, super early morning or fatigue from commuting due to low pay.
 
mikecweb said:
I have, multiple times.
Fatigue does weird shizzit to even the best pilots.
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True. I'm not the best pilot though.

Just reported the left seat was the 43 hour IOE captain. Weird stuff I have seen on big airplanes has often involved IOE captains. Let the baseless, factless speculation begin!
 
Stone Cold said:
From the little I've read on this so far, and the little that's been discussed on the 777 specifically, it sounds like the Boeing products can be set up for an approach, and not have the A/T protect your speed
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Hence why I wouldn't be surprised at all if they find that they were in FLCH (or VNAV SPD) all the way to the ground...

Rabble rabble...speculation...rabble.

To add: FLCH isn't a valid approach mode in Boeing products; the autothrottle servos are disengaged to allow the pilot to manually adjust climb/descent rate. VNAV should be in VNAV PTH for speed control, as well.
 
UAL747400 said:
Yep, my 15 year old M3 is safer than ANY SUV/truck/large car ever made. A miata is even safer! :)

/end thread drift
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I'd always be paranoid in a Miata that my head would be sticking out above the windshield. Open cockpit driving!

/now you can end the thread drift
 
dasleben said:
Hence why I wouldn't be surprised at all if they find that they were in FLCH all the way to the ground...

Rabble rabble...speculation...rabble.

To add: FLCH isn't a valid approach mode in Boeing products; the autothrottle servos are disengaged to allow the pilot to manually adjust climb/descent rate.
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I always read that in my head as something very, very different.
 
dasleben said:
Hence why I wouldn't be surprised at all if they find that they were in FLCH all the way to the ground...

Rabble rabble...speculation...rabble.

To add: FLCH isn't a valid approach mode in Boeing products; the autothrottle servos are disengaged to allow the pilot to manually adjust climb/descent rate.
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Do autothrottles typically work below 100' ? Because it looks like they were a good ways from the threshold.

I would think it would be normal for them to be disengaged low on a visual anyway, any Boeing drivers care to enlighten stupid me about how they work/are used?
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Do autothrottles typically work below 100' ? Because it looks like they were a good ways from the threshold.

I would think it would be normal for them to be disengaged low on a visual anyway, any Boeing drivers care to enlighten stupid me about how they work/are used?
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rjmore is the guy to ask about the 777.

767, we disconnect autothrottles for landing unless doing an autoland. Some guys disconnect as late as 50' AGL.
 
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