Pilots who are afraid of the airplane

z987k said:
If an IO-540 is high performance, there's literally hundreds of people a year than learn TIO-540's and TSIO-520's and how to manage them. Also there are plenty of 3's and 6's still flying that there are a lot of people that still known how to manage a big radial.
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You're in Alaska. ;) :P
 
Autothrust Blue said:
You're in Alaska. ;) :p
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Still, between here and the lower 48 there are a LOT of big pistons still flying. Especially the flat ones.
I wouldn't be surprised if AMF alone teaches 100 people a year to fly a pa31. You've got cape in the 402s. And eleventy billion other mom and pop shops with those two airplanes.
 
z987k said:
Still, between here and the lower 48 there are a LOT of big pistons still flying. Especially the flat ones.
I wouldn't be surprised if AMF alone teaches 100 people a year to fly a pa31. You've got cape in the 402s. And eleventy billion other mom and pop shops with those two airplanes.
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In the Ketch area you can still get behind a R-985 with a wet float ticket.
 
Hacker15e said:
Is that supposed to be bad?
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"Bad" no. It looks like the right spoilers came up before the left ones. Appeared to be a pretty good crosswind landing, just a bit of side loading which I believe is normal (was in the DC8). As soon as that right wing quit flying is when all hell broke loose. I imagine if probably felt like the airplane wanted to veer right, thus left brakes and voila PIO in both the lateral and longitudinal axis.

Airplane was useable again, no paint needed, no sheet metal work required = good landing. Head to the bar.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Yeah. It sucks. On one hand you want to tell them to shove it. On the other hand you don't want to set up an environment where if they see something that actually is wrong, they're hesitant to bring it up. I usually find some solace in the fact that I know they have their head up their ass. In fact its pretty amusing sometimes.

On day three this guy started talking, paused, and then continued with "can I offer you some constructive criticism?"

"Hah...please do."

Then he proceeded to tell me that my standard altitude callouts were distracting and that I should keep them off hot mic so they don't bother him. Friggin hilarious.
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I can guarantee you that is an insecure tool with a lot of bid avoids.
 
Re-reading parts of this thread, I just wanted to point something out.

wildfreightess said:
This is precisely why I stopped teaching at a 141 school and did freelance flight instruction instead. The school was so afraid to let its students fly their airplanes, and it turned out scared pilots. If the crosswind was greater than 6 knots, no flying for you! Ceiling less than 2000'? No fly for you! I understand the school has to cover its 6, but come on..... don't produce pilots who can't fly in wind or clouds!
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^That.

I trained at a 91 school that tried to follow a 141 syllabus. The crosswind limits were so ridiculous that once I had passed a stage check and was ready for my solo XCs, months went by before we had a day within those stupid limits I could fly. Besides 2 currency flights in a 4 month period with my CFI, my first solo XC to Modesto as a 20-something hour student-pilot was the first time I soloed in 6 months. What sounds more dangerous to you, that situation or a "forbidden" crosswind landing slightly above 6 knots? Not to mention the amount of time it took me to be comfortable with cross-winds when I started flying in the real world. Trying to shelter students from Bravo, <5 mile VFR, or pattern work under low but far from illegal cloud ceilings, and not allowing spin training is only going to produce nervous pilots who won't have any confidence in real life. If you're just starting out at a place like this, my honest advice is learn to fly elsewhere if you want to be an aviator.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Re-reading parts of this thread, I just wanted to point something out.



^That.

I trained at a 91 school that tried to follow a 141 syllabus. The crosswind limits were so ridiculous that once I had passed a stage check and was ready for my solo XCs, months went by before we had a day within those stupid limits I could fly. Besides 2 currency flights in a 4 month period with my CFI, my first solo XC to Modesto as a 20-something hour student-pilot was the first time I soloed in 6 months. What sounds more dangerous to you, that situation or a "forbidden" crosswind landing slightly above 6 knots? Not to mention the amount of time it took me to be comfortable with cross-winds when I started flying in the real world. Trying to shelter students from Bravo, <5 mile VFR, or pattern work under low but far from illegal cloud ceilings, and not allowing spin training is only going to produce nervous pilots who won't have any confidence in real life. If you're just starting out at a place like this, my honest advice is learn to fly elsewhere if you want to be an aviator.
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This is not characteristic of all 141 schools I must stress. At the 141 school I teach at I've taken students out and worked with 20 knot crosswinds. I am one of those instructors that refuses to let their student be afraid of wind or turbulence. Now I teach my students to know their limits, and some of my students couldn't quite get it consistently at 20. But when they did decent landings in a 20 knot crosswind you bet they weren't scared to conquer a 10 or 15 knot crosswind.
 
elmetal said:
we only operate rev in VFR, but relocations can be done however we choose! It's by no means as stressful as a 135 cargo ops where it's literally time sensitive. if I want to stop for the night and call it based on wx, that's fine by me.

I'm not flying through a TS or icing, but if it's just clouds and precip, you bet your bottom I'm flying!
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Here! Here!
 
I had a bit of an eye opener yesterday. Ever seen those huge walls of dust aka "haboobs" here in PHX? Doing some IFR training, one of those sprung up yesterday out of nowhere while we were shooting the VOR 4R at CHD. We were in a somewhat tight fuel situation so it was basically a race to the runway which we lost. At a half mile my dad told me to let him know if he wanted me to take it. Well out of my comfort zone, I considered it for two seconds before I let him have it. Pretty interesting landing and after the fact I had several questions which we went over, but the experience was something that I will remember for a long time. I'm not saying I'm going to go fly into a haboob, but if I ever find myself in a tough spot like that I like to think I will be able to draw on the experience.
 
Derg said:
Sadly, there are very few of us that were part of the era of General Aviation where flying, even ownership of an airplane was solidly attainable goal as a middle class hourly worker.
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Seriously, ownership of an airplane is more solidly attainable goal now than it was 30 years ago. The vast number of very cheap homebuilts out there, the information that anyone can find on the interwebs of how to build and work on them, the very professional classes that EAA puts on for everything from vacuum formed fiberglass to welding and sheet metal work. Much easier to build something now. So many more capable aircraft that cost nothing used. You can buy a nice tri-pacer for half the cost of a very pedestrian new car. Probably with an IFR GPS better than anything I flew with 20 years ago.

Aircraft were not cheap 50 years ago either, adjusted for inflation...
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Seriously, ownership of an airplane is more solidly attainable goal now than it was 30 years ago. The vast number of very cheap homebuilts out there, the information that anyone can find on the interwebs of how to build and work on them, the very professional classes that EAA puts on for everything from vacuum formed fiberglass to welding and sheet metal work. Much easier to build something now. So many more capable aircraft that cost nothing used. You can buy a nice tri-pacer for half the cost of a very pedestrian new car. Probably with an IFR GPS better than anything I flew with 20 years ago.

Aircraft were not cheap 50 years ago either, adjusted for inflation...
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Indeed, but the middle class had lost about half of its buying power in that time.
 
Alchemy said:
6 degrees of roll on the ground will scrape the #1 or #4 engine. No you won't die, but it definitely has the potential to put you in the unemployment line, at least where I work.
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I just figured that's why you had that many engines to begin with. If one falls off, you're still good!
 
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