The end of the "with you" debate...

[derg]

Derg, on the list now.

Apparently so.

 

[Vector4Food]

Had a flight last night, made me think of this thread.

Howdy Center! Spiky 123 bouncing along at flight level three five zeeeeroo, and how are yall this evenin?

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

I love these threads, it allows me to collect all the phrases that rub you guys the wrong way. I got a little notebook. Then I continuously drop them on freq for you.

That's ok. None of us are ever flying at 3am in the middle of nowhere to hear you.

 

[Karnage]

With the exception of "Unicorn" in place of Uniform, I agree.

I got a chuckle hearing "Midland Approach, Southwest 1234 checking in with information idiot" one summer day.

 

[cficollegeguy]

Speaking of going back to the third grade, a lot of pilots start a sentence with "And" on their PA's as if it is some sort of continuation from the last sentence of the welcome PA that was made 2 hours ago.

I hear this on the radio so much. "Andddd NORCAL N1234 with you 6000."

It's pointless

 

[TFaudree_ERAU]

WWGGD?

 

[dasleben]

WWGGD?

Me?

 

[flyinguitar]

I hear this on the radio so much. "Andddd NORCAL N1234 with you 6000."

It's pointless

I had a student who did this. I pointed it out to him and he had no clue he was doing it. Then he started noticing it and eventually stopped.

This, as well as "with you" and countless other reflexive phrases, are the verbal equivalent of muscle memory. You're speaking without thinking. Seems harmless enough, except I would argue that it is ideal to strive for a more conscious, precise control of one's radio technique. The dividends will go far beyond the elimination of these little phrases that annoy some of us to tears.

Kind of like how I landed a plane for the first few hundred hours based on a learned sequence of visual cues and muscle memory. I first put that sequence together as a student pilot, and it was sufficient to keep me from crashing. However, after I went through my CFI training and had to dissect every cue and input so I could teach students, I found that I had learned to land the plane all over again in a more aware and intentional manner.

 

[jafra98]

What about a guy that reports to an uncontrolled airport "with you" and finishes with "any trafffic please advice"??????
"

 

[TFaudree_ERAU]

What about a guy that reports to an uncontrolled airport "with you" and finishes with "any trafffic please advice"??????
"

He has poor radio technique and terrible grammar.

 

[JLF]

What about a guy that reports to an uncontrolled airport "with you" and finishes with "any trafffic please advice"??????
"

Clear of the active

 

[jafra98]

Clear of the active

Roger

 

[cyas2003]

I'm totally with you guys on this debate.

 

[mastermags]

Never knew any of this was an issue till I got on the internet.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I'm totally with you guys on this debate.

Good news, everyone!

 

[grkero]

What about checking in with "inside you"?

"With you, penetratin' yer sector..."

 

[Ajax]

What irritates me the most is when people begin every radio call with "and" it's like a continuation of their previous call, whatever it may have been

 

[DubyaDawg]

Good news, everyone!

The Dacia Sandero will be offered in the U.S.!?!?

 

[Autothrust Blue]

The Dacia Sandero will be offered in the U.S.!?!?

I was trying to reference Futurama.

 

[Bumblebee]

Never knew any of this was an issue till I got on the internet.

then the internet has found its purpose...