Aerial Banners Inc. Pembroke Pines, FL

no offense to ATA and anyone who works there (HVYMTLDRVR used to at least), but those planes are borderline unairworthy at least when i checked them out in 2010

Don't shoot the messenger. How can they be borderline airworthy. Either they are or they aren't. There is no grey area on that type thing
 
well, it's probably legal or else they wouldn't still be around. I should go give them another chance
 
I mean, there aren't too many new tailwheel trainers out there, they simply cost too much. I've flown a 1970's Citabria and a WWII era Champ.

Why does something have to be new? Tons of experimental tail draggers built every year.

Nothing special about flying any of them, other than using rudders as they were intended
 
I mean, there aren't too many new tailwheel trainers out there, they simply cost too much. I've flown a 1970's Citabria and a WWII era Champ.
I don't mind at all the fact that its a citabria. Its their other aircraft that I wasn't too fond of. The 172s and 150 were beat up worse than anything I've seen

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Why does something have to be new? Tons of experimental tail draggers built every year.

Nothing special about flying any of them, other than using rudders as they were intended

Nothing has to be new. But when uneducated types show up at a flight school, you put a brand new airplane in front of them, and an older tailwheel infront of them, they're going to take a new plane every day.

I'm just saying that, don't expect a 30+ year old airplane to look like it just came out of the factory.
 
Nothing has to be new. But when uneducated types show up at a flight school, you put a brand new airplane in front of them, and an older tailwheel infront of them, they're going to take a new plane every day.

I'm just saying that, don't expect a 30+ year old airplane to look like it just came out of the factory.

True. But for everyone out there wondering how to get tail wheel experience - if one is sitting on the ramp when you are time building, consider flying that instead of a 172. It will make you far more employable at 300 hours of G1000 time :)
 
Nothing has to be new. But when uneducated types show up at a flight school, you put a brand new airplane in front of them, and an older tailwheel infront of them, they're going to take a new plane every day.

I'm just saying that, don't expect a 30+ year old airplane to look like it just came out of the factory.
I don't. I've flown out of many airports with planes ranging from 150/152s to g1000 172s. I've flown plenty of 60s and 70s planes. 172L, 172n 172m Flown many older piper warriors and the like.

Atas problem isn't that the planes are old. They are visibly beat up.



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I worked at HWO and am familiar with AB, my roommate and best friend worked there. The operation is fun at times, they were never PFJ when I was there. My roommate showed me a picture of a huge portion of the vertical stabilizer that seperated from the aircraft once. The pilot landed the aircraft safely. The worst I saw though... a line guy was fueling an aircraft and left his radio in the truck bc it was raining. The owner (who's a psycho) ran out screaming because he was trying to call the line guy. He threatened to "stab his ******* eyes out with a pencil" His words, not mine... The owner and his ex wife run the operation. Tread with caution. I'd go with VWAM...
 
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