9E TA Reached

PeanuckleCRJ said:
It's not elitism if it really is better and more stringent.

And that's what it is.
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"Better" is subjective. If you ask the corndogs over at SWA, they'll tell you that their interview process is far superior to yours. I'm sure you know what I think about that claim, but the point is that there are plenty of theories about what sort of interview process is best.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Then they shouldn't be flying your passengers on a CRJ, either.
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No, a different COMPANY shouldn't be flying those passengers on a CRJ. When we're talking corporate culture (and I don't think any of us disagree that Pinnacle's corp culture and Delta's differ considerably), then it has nothing to do with safety or piloting skills. It has to do with the company and how it presents itself to passengers. Look at your own company right now. How's that merging of corporate cultures from AirTran and SWA going? A "flow through" at Pinnacle with the lifers in MEM going to Delta wouldn't be a whole lot different from a culture clash standpoint.

Taking it outside of aviation, you can't just take a SIx Flags ride operator and drop them in the middle of the Magic Kingdom at Disney. Sure, it's the same job from a technical standpoint, but all the non-tangibles that go along with it are completely different.

Wanna solve the problem altogether? If it says "Delta" on the side of the plane, then it's flown by Delta pilots, not outsourced to other companies.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I did the Pinnacle interview. I know what it entailed. And your characterization is completely false. It was mostly a technical interview (probably about 30 minutes), with some HR included as well (about 15 minutes). A written test was also included that was about 50 questions and mostly about multi-engine and instrument flying. In other words, a normal interview, and actually more involved than my mainline interview.
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That was my interview, plus a sim eval in a crappy Frasca, Guess what? They ditched most of it about a year after I interviewed because too many guys were busting the interview. Like everyone else has said, it's more or less a pulse. Unless you graduated from certain colleges. Then you didn't even have to interview. Although, I'm guessing that program is dead considering the current staffing model....
 
Hey Todd,

There seems to be some consternation on the other forum that this TA violates the Delta PWA because Delta management is negotiating directly with another pilot group. I believe they are also saying it violates ALPA bylaws. Any truth to that? Could the TA pass and Moak refuse to sign it and void it?
 
Speed Pilot said:
Hey Todd,

There seems to be some consternation on the other forum that this TA violates the Delta PWA because Delta management is negotiating directly with another pilot group. I believe they are also saying it violates ALPA bylaws. Any truth to that? Could the TA pass and Moak refuse to sign it and void it?
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Yes, I've seen those interpretations. Since the Executive Council may be asked to issue an interpretation on that, I'd prefer not to comment and just wait to see what information is presented in a hearing.
 
Would that matter by then though since it is supposed to be voted on by mid January? Would there be any recourse for ALPA after a contract has been voted on by the membership?

I'm just curious because it seems like a very interesting set of circumstances. What "in theory" would be the association's recourse to an MEC agreeing to a contract that contained sections in violate of the constitution? If you don't want to answer about pinnicle's situation pretend its about some other section of a fictional contract.

What kinds of processes and tools would the association have at their disposal? I'm trying to figure out how the union would function in this situation.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I did the Pinnacle interview. I know what it entailed. And your characterization is completely false. It was mostly a technical interview (probably about 30 minutes), with some HR included as well (about 15 minutes). A written test was also included that was about 50 questions and mostly about multi-engine and instrument flying. In other words, a normal interview, and actually more involved than my mainline interview.
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Valutran a "mainline" LOL...... or is there some other "mainline" that you were hired at and not "acquired"?
 
When I took the 9E interview it was extremely easy. The tech and HR part was word for word from the gouge on the Internet. You have to be an idiot not to pass. While I was at 9E they started a program with WMU in which there was no interview for those guys.

Compare that to ASAs interview process just a few months ago. Take the Delta Personality, Cognitive, and job knowledge tests, if you pass that. About half do. You move on to the HR part with a recruiter.

Compass interview same tests as ASA and an HR part that's is all TMAT and WWYD questions.

9E interview grand total of 30 minutes, ASA 6 hours, Compass about 6 hours.
 
Speed Pilot said:
Would that matter by then though since it is supposed to be voted on by mid January?
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Good point. In that case, if the MEC wanted to have the issue addressed, then they could request a special meeting of the Council. Council meetings can be called on pretty short notice when necessary.

What "in theory" would be the association's recourse to an MEC agreeing to a contract that contained sections in violate of the constitution? If you don't want to answer about pinnicle's situation pretend its about some other section of a fictional contract.
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Ok. Setting aside this deal, and just speaking in general, the President of the Association gets the final signature on any agreement between the Association and an airline. Before he signs it, it's not valid. Prior to the president signing, the Representation Department reviews the agreement to ensure that it complies with the Association's policies and procedures. They then give the president a recommendation based upon that review. It's not unheard of for the attorneys to recommend that the president not sign. Back when CCAir was still around, the MEC engaged in concessionary bargaining without following the policies required in the Admin Manual for concessionary bargaining (i.e., the company has to prove the need by opening their books). The attorneys recommended that Captain Woerth not sign, and he didn't. So, while not unheard of, it is rare. And the president typically wouldn't refuse to sign simply because he doesn't like a contract. It would only be if a violation of policy occurred. Keep in mind, though, that there are very few hard and fast rules in bargaining. Almost everything in the Admin Manual, Section 40, is a recommendation or a best practice, not a requirement. And the Bylaws basically don't speak to bargaining at all. So it's a rare circumstance where policy would suggest that the president not sign an agreement.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The Council meets at the end of January. I would imagine that if the DAL MEC wanted to push the issue, it could be heard at that meeting.
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Hahahahaha.

Dalpa Push?

Please. It's Christmas, even baby Jesus laughed at that one.
 
Derg said:
Hahahahaha.

Dalpa Push?

Please. It's Christmas, even baby Jesus laughed at that one.
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Hey, I was just answering the man's question. I have no idea what your internal politics are over there right now. Frankly, I couldn't believe it when someone told me that your MEC Chairman put out a message saying that he had not been told of this negotiation. Knowing how close he is to the Grand Pooba, that was a bit of a shock. So with that in mind, it wouldn't surprise me if the MEC was going to push this.
 
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