Interesting, pilot salary study for 2012....

Boris Badenov said:
Realistically, even after you pay the more like ~20k to get a commercial rotorcraft, you'll have to do a couple of years flying tours in Vegas to be competitive for an EMS gig. It just doesn't make financial sense. But it is f'ing cool.
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Yeah, call me financially inept, but I'd totally go backwards in the middle of my career to do something different in aviation. Maybe when I'm no longer in my 20s, I'll see the error in my thinking. :)
 
scooter2525 said:
I've heard that majority of EMS rotors are prior military. Not out of of lack of civs, but preferential.
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We've only got one guy under about 100 years old, but he's civilian. And we've got one guy who's uh, "oldish" who is civilian, too. Hell of a guy, and he's done it all. Tuna boats, powerline, you name it.

Myself, I don't see what the big deal is about civil/military. We all seem to get along pretty well. They're even nice to ME, and I'm not even really a PILOT, by their lights. Course, we don't have any Chair Force guys...that might change things. But Army/Navy/Marines? We're all on the same team, just trying to get the Job done. Nobody throws their toys out of the stoller and everyone gets along good. Maybe I don't know how lucky I am...
 
I don't know any rotor pilots. Most the guys I fly with say that about guys they have flown with. Telephone style. But anyways, I don't get it either. Then again I'm not the one in charge of hiring.
 
From what I've seen, you tell the Army/Navy/Marine guys a few stories from Freight and enjoy (not like you have to pretend!) their stories, and you're solid. Good dudes. Hell, they make me want to visit Thailand. They're Operational guys...freeze your balls off a couple of times getting it done, and they don't care where you learned to fly. Now, the Chair Force is different, but that's probaby for a different thread, too...
 
z987k said:
Company rules are 5SM and 2000 for night and 3 and 1000 for day IIRC.
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Makes me wonder what the Lifeflight guys out of Iowa City are doing/have. I see them going into Genesis West right by my parents house in all kinds of poop weather. I'm wondering if they shoot the ILS into the Davenport airport and then go over to the hospital at 50 feet! :cool:
 
Boris Badenov said:
From what I've seen, you tell the Army/Navy/Marine guys a few stories from Freight and enjoy (not like you have to pretend!) their stories, and you're solid. Good dudes. Hell, they make me want to visit Thailand. They're Operational guys...freeze your balls off a couple of times getting it done, and they don't care where you learned to fly. Now, the Chair Force is different, but that's probaby for a different thread, too...
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Might as well hijack this one. I think we've already determined that the pay in the survey is either bang on or inaccurate. Besides, it's almost 2 in the morning CT. No thread is sacred! :D
 
UAL747400 said:
Makes me wonder what the Lifeflight guys out of Iowa City are doing/have. I see them going into Genesis West right by my parents house in all kinds of poop weather. I'm wondering if they shoot the ILS into the Davenport airport and then go over to the hospital at 50 feet! :cool:
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Probably not. They are likely VFR only. So they put the NVGs on and fly it at 50ft.
 
z987k said:
Probably not. They are likely VFR only. So they put the NVGs on and fly it at 50ft.
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You could probably go all the way there following I-80 if you can negotiate the hills by Tipton! Poo would be coming out in D-port though. It's not mountainous, but those hill piles are significant if you were at 50 ft. :)
 
Hmmm, helo EMS makes more than I was lead on to believe, but still not as much as I think they are worth.

I'll be interested to see what EMS companies do to attract pilots in the future to fill already open jobs; training/transition costs are prohibitive, insurance experience necessarily high and if FW is going to have a boom due to retirements, RW is going to have a BONANZA.
 
Douglas said:
Hmmm, helo EMS makes more than I was lead on to believe, but still not as much as I think they are worth.

I'll be interested to see what EMS companies do to attract pilots in the future to fill already open jobs; training/transition costs are prohibitive, insurance experience necessarily high and if FW is going to have a boom due to retirements, RW is going to have a BONANZA.
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z987k is getting a pretty solid wage and he's 25. WAY more money and a better schedule than any regional will ever give you as an FO. Even with an upgrade, I don't think you'd ever catch up for career earnings. Frankly, getting something like that at a younger age, paying off your debt, and starting your retirement, I don't think you'd catch up doing anything else, period. That may be what attracts younger pilots moving out of freight or CFIing. However, most guys I see in Kingairs and citations are old. What keeps them there or attracts them to that is beyond me. I know not all Air Ambulance is equal however. Or are you talking just on the helo side?
 
UAL747400 said:
z987k is getting a pretty solid wage and he's 25. WAY more money and a better schedule than any regional will ever give you as an FO. Even with an upgrade, I don't think you'd ever catch up for career earnings. Frankly, getting something like that at a younger age, paying off your debt, and starting your retirement, I don't think you'd catch up doing anything else, period. That may be what attracts younger pilots moving out of freight or CFIing. However, most guys I see in Kingairs and citations are old. What keeps them there or attracts them to that is beyond me. I know not all Air Ambulance is equal however. Or are you talking just on the helo side?
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Yeah, just the helo side.
But I'm glad you wrote that all out so now I know how you really feel 'bout that.
:D
 
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