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DE727UPS said:
We are suing the FAA to have the cargo cutout to the new rest rules removed.
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Which every attorney has told them could backfire in an enormous way and screw over the entire industry. Gee, thanks. :rolleyes:

Not to mention their latest legal screwup when they insisted that the FAA General Counsel issue a ruling on captain's authority related to the jumpseat. Big hint, IPA: don't ask for a legal ruling unless you're 100% certain on what the answer is going to be.

The IPA has done generally well for an independent union. Of all the independent unions, they are clearly the most competent and well organized. Of couse, they also use lots of ALPA services and know damned well that they can't go it alone when it comes time for contract negotiations. But some of their lone wolf legal actions are harmful for the profession, and that's where having a true national union with a huge legal staff is of enormous benefit.
 
cencal83406 said:
What I don't really understand is why when the company or union screw something up in regards to union dues, I'm expected to make up that mistake with a personal check, rather than auto deductions as usual..
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Most company payroll departments aren't setup to handle individual deductions for each pilot. They set a rule for the entire pilot group (1.95% of gross income minus 401k contributions), and then the payroll processor subtracts that amount, cuts a check to ALPA, and gives you your check. They can't have a different rule for you because you individually got behind on your dues for whatever reason, even if it was the company's fault. Therefore, the company can't do it with auto deductions. It has to be a personal check.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Of course. And we're continuing to fight for them to be included. But boneheaded legal actions that could result in the entire rule being thrown out are not a smart way to go.
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are they not working in synch on this? Aren't there ALPA cargo carriers as well?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
They can't have a different rule for you because you individually got behind on your dues for whatever reason, even if it was the company's fault. Therefore, the company can't do it with auto deductions. It has to be a personal check.
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Why not? I've had requests for deduct payments to repay IRS, loans, and child support. It's a simple form from what I have seen in the past, easier with employee approval (and not needing the court determination).
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Why not? I've had requests for deduct payments to repay IRS, loans, and child support. It's a simple form from what I have seen in the past, easier with employee approval (and not needing the court determination).
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You are one person. The company I work for has maybe a handful of competent people and they too have said it would crash the system if we tried to do it individually. Basically boils down to the fact good IT software is expensive and its expensive to unscrew a messed up IT software program. Most companies pay the least amount in IT software and hope that it doesn't make too many mistakes.
 
Cruise said:
You know, I'm not sure how it's working out. As with most committees, they're probably underfunded and doing the best they can at the moment with the manpower/ resources available. That said, clearly education is very important to prevent ignorance and counter the management slant.
But since you asked, I'm assuming you've also volunteered to assist with that committee? I'm sure they could use the help. Right?!

Or maybe we should ask Mr. A-300F4-622R what sort of education campaign his "in house" has performed? What has he, or his union, done to improve our profession?
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Let's see..... How about $148.80/hr for a SECOND year F/O. And that's on a six year old contract. It would have been higher, but thanks to FedEx ALPA, it's not. So our fight is fighting FedEx's ALPA attempt to lower the bar.
 
amorris311 said:
You are one person. The company I work for has maybe a handful of competent people and they too have said it would crash the system if we tried to do it individually. Basically boils down to the fact good IT software is expensive and its expensive to unscrew a messed up IT software program. Most companies pay the least amount in IT software and hope that it doesn't make too many mistakes.
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How do they handle child support and IRS then? Understand bad software but I'll bet they have a way to handle the issue. Just easier to say write a check.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Which every attorney has told them could backfire in an enormous way and screw over the entire industry. Gee, thanks. :rolleyes:

Not to mention their latest legal screwup when they insisted that the FAA General Counsel issue a ruling on captain's authority related to the jumpseat. Big hint, IPA: don't ask for a legal ruling unless you're 100% certain on what the answer is going to be.

The IPA has done generally well for an independent union. Of all the independent unions, they are clearly the most competent and well organized. Of couse, they also use lots of ALPA services and know damned well that they can't go it alone when it comes time for contract negotiations. But some of their lone wolf legal actions are harmful for the profession, and that's where having a true national union with a huge legal staff is of enormous benefit.
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No such thing.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
How do they handle child support and IRS then? Understand bad software but I'll bet they have a way to handle the issue. Just easier to say write a check.
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From my understanding those that have those deductions are put into different buckets per the payroll system. Do not get me wrong, these guys have problems all the time!

I think I'm answering your question but the dues are taken out simultaneously as we'll as the other deductions. The problem the payroll system has is going back after the checks are cut and finding the problem. That's why if they screw up one cycle you look like a member in bad standing or a scum bag for not paying child support.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Why not? I've had requests for deduct payments to repay IRS, loans, and child support. It's a simple form from what I have seen in the past, easier with employee approval (and not needing the court determination).
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You miss the key element: this is dealing with a union. Companies don't like having to do anything for a union. When we negotiate dues checkoff clauses in our CBAs, the company fights us tooth and nail. You think they're going to go above and beyond and do something for cencal that they aren't required to do contractually? Hell no. They'll do everything they can to prevent ALPA from getting its money.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
You miss the key element: this is dealing with a union. Companies don't like having to do anything for a union. When we negotiate dues checkoff clauses in our CBAs, the company fights us tooth and nail. You think they're going to go above and beyond and do something for cencal that they aren't required to do contractually? Hell no. They'll do everything they can to prevent ALPA from getting its money.
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Well if the union would work more with the company they would be willing to do that extra when needed. It can go both ways. That is why both parties need to work together as a team. That is my goal when I get to the majors. 8)
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Well if the union would work more with the company they would be willing to do that extra when needed. It can go both ways. That is why both parties need to work together as a team. That is my goal when I get to the majors. 8)
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Unions try to work extremely close with companies on many issues. I find it hard to understand, with your train of thought, why management groups don't work hard with unions to repay them for all the bailouts we seem to give them for their catastrophic mistakes. :)
 
I'm still waiting for the UAW and our Gov $$ given to GM to make it back to me as they owe me. But that's another story.

Yes management needs to be held accountable too but I still believe both sides at fault and I just imagine what a company as a collective could do. I hope to work on that someday.

Either that or learn Chinese and take the mouse job.
 
I always fail to see how a labor group is at fault for the company mismanagement. The reason many upper level executives make boats loads of money is to supposedly direct the company in a profitable way. Labor is just that, labor. They are not supposed to make executive decisions, they are supposed to do a job that creates a product which in turn management sells.
 
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