"Those who can't, period"

SteveC

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\"Those who can\'t, period\"

I read a pretty good article in AOPA's March Flight Training magazine that I thought was appropriate for this forum. AOPA has given me permission to post the article in full here. Enjoy. (All typos are mine...)

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Those who can’t, period

Are new CFIs ready to teach?

By Arlynn McMahon

This is a true story about an actual CFI’s recent job interview with the flight school at which the author is chief instructor. The details of “Kathie’s” logbook and her training experience are factual, but her name has been changed to protect the flight school that told her she was ready to teach.


Kathie sat across the desk from me, needing this CFI job, but the interview was not going well. She was confused, but she didn't know who to blame: herself; the school she'd paid a lot of money to train her; or me, the unsympathetic interviewer who sat across the desk.

Kathie had graduated 12 months earlier from Big Name Flight School with minimum hours, no teaching practice, and no actual time in clouds. But, as I gently tried to explain to her, that’s not why she didn’t land a job with my flight school here in Kentucky. Any blame for that should be laid directly on her instructors and the flight school for which they worked.

Kathie arrived for our interview with the absolute minimum flight hours required for a CFI certificate to instruct in a single-engine airplane (15), because the policy of the flight school she attended was to complete ratings in a multiengine airplane first, thereby allowing Kathie to “perform the duties as pilot in command.” The single engine land rating was an add-on.

Regulations permitted nearly all her flights to have either an instructor or an examiner as the “student” in the other seat. While solo hours had been cut short (only 20), she did have 50 precious hours in a regional jet simulator.

Before we conducted the interview, I had given her my flight school’s standard pre-employment knowledge exam, which is compiled directly from FAA Private Pilot questions. She failed it, scoring just 69 percent, but she explained away her failure as a lack of relevance to her training, since carburetor ice isn’t often found on a regional jet. Kathie was trained as a first officer, but when she came to my front door, she didn’t have an airline job and – in my humble opinion – she wasn’t qualified as a teacher of flight, either.

Kathie didn’t land a job at my flight school because she had no experience being in command. She’d never made critical decisions, and, most important, she couldn’t teach. I’m sure she left the interview without a very good opinion of my school, and no doubt she was sure that some other chief instructor would see her talents and hire her on the spot. Maybe.

Kathie’s situation is not unique. It’s happening to men and women, young and old, from all over the country. Some are starting new careers; others are beginning second ones.

Some flight schools – like the one that trained Kathie – are known for turning out first officers. Graduates return home hoping to find ways to build hours and pay student loans, even though they haven’t acquired the skills needed to pass the simplest pre-employment exam.

In my opinion training of this type is a nuisance to the industry. Kathie, who had paid good money for a hoped-for quick route to an airline job, felt betrayed – and my reputable flight school, with a great position to fill, wasn’t able to put an enthusiastic new CFI to work.

Even worse, if Kathie finds a student to teach, she will train Mini-Mes in the only mantra she knows – and the result will be another generation of pilots who exploit loopholes and cut corners to meet minimum standards. Does the current system produce CFIs ready to trot right out on the tarmac and teach flying? I don’t think so.

Our system of training CFIs doesn’t produce teachers of flight, it doesn’t put graduates to work, and it certainly doesn’t grow a safe and healthy industry. It must be changed. Flight instruction is too important to maintain this “meets minimums” mindset.

It doesn’t cost any more money or time to do it right. If I were appointed chief instructor of the world, I would offer three cornerstones for a value-added system for training CFIs.

Cornerstone one: Value-added instructor training emphasizes teaching, presentation, and communication skills as opposed to piloting from the right seat. A tape recorder can be an instructor’s most valuable tool, as well as a cruel critic. Recording instructional sessions provides practice in teaching and listening.

Cornerstone two: Value-added instructor training is built on specific techniques for creating safe pilots, rather than rote maneuvers. Foster a mindset of seeking out creative, low-cost alternatives that support quality instead of seeking loopholes to cut corners. Utilize free Internet training seminars and tutorials, such as those found on the AOPA Air Safety Foundation Web site. Require new instructors to ride in the backseat to shadow experienced instructors.

Cornerstone three: Value-added instructor training doesn’t end with the checkride. A mentor must nurture new instructors. Give senior instructors incentives to help the new folks, or take advantage of a strong mentoring program. We all need fresh ideas and performance reviews to remind us to be the best that we can be.

Value-added CFI’s benefit everyone. Dedicated instructors like Kathie can fill positions at reputable flight schools. And, our industry will grow while the next generation of pilots is trained with the right mindset to be the best they can be.

Arlynn McMahon is chief instructor for Aero-Tech, Inc., a busy flight school with facilities in both Lexington and Louisville, Kentucky. She has been interviewing, hiring, and mentoring CFIs for 25 years. She welcomes feedback at arlynn@aerotech.net.<br />
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Thank you for posting that. My instructor had me read that on Friday. Great article.
 
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Good article.......buta couple flight schools come to mind when I read this article.


Gee, wonder which ones those are
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AMEN!

This is so true today
Flight schools charge the maximum, but still teach "this is how to pass the exam with this particular DE"
 
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I remember when I went for my ride, the examiner said a lot of "okay, you pass. Now let me show you something."

For example, he had me do an emergency descent, and I put it into a slip with the engine at idle. Then he dropped that line on me and dropped in full flaps, put the plane into a descending spiral, and explained to me why doing that as opposed to what I did was better since I would maintain coordinated flight, get the same rate of descent, and avoid shock cooling the engine.

One of my goals is when I start instructing, I want to be sure that the examiner doesn't say do something similar with one of my students.
 
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Very good article. I'm surprised AOPA/Flight Training would print that with all the advertising dollars sent their way through the big academy ads that promise you the quickest way to an RJ.

Some of the academies do require CFI training, though. As much as I don't like DCA's marketing or exploitation of their CFI's, their grads do have experience as CFI's when they walk out into the real world as they are required to instruct 700 hours to graduate.

I think 90% of being a good CFI you learn from experience, you can't really train it. If one has a good attitude and can get through the difficult FAA checkride, I think they are ready to be a working CFI. I would like to see a mentorship program, as mentioned in the article. It'll never happen, though, as the FAA has just never done it that way.
 
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I remember when I went for my ride, the examiner said a lot of "okay, you pass. Now let me show you something."

For example, he had me do an emergency descent, and I put it into a slip with the engine at idle. Then he dropped that line on me and dropped in full flaps, put the plane into a descending spiral, and explained to me why doing that as opposed to what I did was better since I would maintain coordinated flight, get the same rate of descent, and avoid shock cooling the engine.

One of my goals is when I start instructing, I want to be sure that the examiner doesn't say do something similar with one of my students.

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Over my career I've taken a lot of checkrides. I learned this golden rule early on and it took me far. Most examiners, whether Feds or company designees, love to impart some of their wisdom on you. They have their pet areas and want to leave you with what they consider are gems of wisdom. Listen to them. Comment on how smart and correct that seems to you and how you intend to incorporate it into your flying. (Occasionally it really is good info).

This goes hand in hand with not knowing everything in an oral. At some point, even if you know it all, don't know something so the examiner can explain it to you. Or answer a question, but comment that it's an area you are a little uncertain in and ask the examiner an intelligent question about it. Emphasize that you really value their opinion and/or extensive knowledge.

These techniques will rarely let you down. Trying to show you know more than the examiner, even if you do, will get you hammered.

In the rare case where you get an examiner with no ego and no agenda, enjoy.
 
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So this person's first rating to her private certificate was multi-engine land?
 
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For example, he had me do an emergency descent, and I put it into a slip with the engine at idle. Then he dropped that line on me and dropped in full flaps, put the plane into a descending spiral, and explained to me why doing that as opposed to what I did was better since I would maintain coordinated flight, get the same rate of descent, and avoid shock cooling the engine.

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Tony, If you are ever in a real emergency diregard anything you have ever heard about "shock cooling" and do whatever you have to in order to get down imaediatly.

I teach a real emergency descent like this

Nose down, wing down, Vne &amp; 60 bank

Everything out (yes flaps too, if there is a fire I don't care about damaging the flap mounts)

Everything off

Obviously this can't be demonstrated in a training enviroment. But it is a good trick to keep up your sleeve.

Engine fires are rare, but they are extreemely dangerous. If one ever happens to you get on the ground imeadiatly. Few light planes have any fire extinguisher for the engine compartment. An oil fed fire will burn through the firewall in seconds, not minutes. On many light twins the spar is part of the fire wall. And right benind that is the fuel tank.




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These techniques will rarely let you down. Trying to show you know more than the examiner, even if you do, will get you hammered.

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Never try to BS the expert. I have learned something new durring every one of my checkrides. On a few of them the examiner has learned something new as well.
 
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Very good article. I'm surprised AOPA/Flight Training would print that with all the advertising dollars sent their way through the big academy ads that promise you the quickest way to an RJ.

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I was impressed that they printed it as well. Just goes to show that the editorial staff isn't always handcuffed by the advertising department, I guess. Kudos to 'em anyway.
 
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So this person's first rating to her private certificate was multi-engine land?

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Yeah, some schools are now teaching the private first then the multi right after. This way they can do all the certs/ratings and log multi time. Then you can graduate with 50 to 100 hrs multi.
This is how I did it and am now using the Seminole for my instrument.
 
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This really hits home. I've seen way too many of these instructors out there on my stops at other airports. One of the things which I like more and more about our school is something our owner continuously tells students in his CFI ground school. "I'm not here to create good airline pilots. I'm here to create good instructors. By doing so, they'll transition nicely into good airline pilots."
 
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Few light planes have any fire extinguisher for the engine compartment. An oil fed fire will burn through the firewall in seconds, not minutes. On many light twins the spar is part of the fire wall. And right benind that is the fuel tank.

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Hmmm....just asking here, but wouldn't a slip there push the fire away from the cabin due to the airflow?
 
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Few light planes have any fire extinguisher for the engine compartment. An oil fed fire will burn through the firewall in seconds, not minutes. On many light twins the spar is part of the fire wall. And right benind that is the fuel tank.

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Hmmm....just asking here, but wouldn't a slip there push the fire away from the cabin due to the airflow?

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Possibly, but I wouldn't count on it.

If you have a fire, I would recomend opening the cowl flaps. The increased air flow will fan the flames, but it will also carry the heat out of the engine compartment.

That and shutting off the fuel selector is about the only thing you can do untill you are on the ground.
 
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Ugggh. I hope to God I never get in one of those situations. Sounds like I am for the most part screwed.
 
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Good article, but perhaps the only beef I might have with certain check airman was that you've really got to look at pilots on an individual basis.

I busted my multi-engine instrument checkride.

On takeoff, positive rate, gear up, lights out. Climbing out on a radial off of DRK to start the DME ARC to the VOR/DME approach, I lose an engine.

No problem. Control, power, drag, identify, verify, troubleshoot, feather. It all goes alright. The DPE (designated pilot examiner) simulates "zero thrust" on my simulated feathered engine. It's a pretty hot day so performance isn't all that great, especially flying around a PA-44 up in Prescott.

Gear goes down, no light. Crap, now I'm single-engine, don't have the climb performance to conduct a successful missed approach to figure the gear out so I reach for the emergency gear extension as I would in the real world.

"Ok, here's your engine back, go ahead and ask for a left downwind for 25" or whatever the long runway is in PRC, I can't remember.

Land, taxi in, go up to the office and then starts a 30 minute heated lecture about how f'ed up Embry-Riddle is and how they're producing students that suck, yadda yadda yadda.

"I presume I've failed the checkride".

(this is from 11 years ago, so the quote and/or systems might be rusty in my head): "As you pulled the gear up, I pulled the gear motor circuit breaker, waited seven seconds and (did something to turn off the lights) You did that entire *expletive deleted* approach with the gear down"

"Well, in my defense I noticed the ammeter jump, as instructed, to indicate the activation of the landing gear motor, the lights went out when they should of and from all indications, the gear was up."

DPE: "Why didn't you look onto the left cowling to look at the nosegear?"

"Don't have that on this one, sir"

"Dammit, that's another thing about that place"

Needless to say, there's always a lot more to the story.

But the quality of education isn't the institution, it's really up to the motivation and of the student and how well he's matched with a knowledgeable CFI who is genuinely interested in the student's success. That perfect matchup might happen with an 75 year-old CFI with a Piper Cub on some grass field at a one airplane hangar in Moisinee, WI or it might happen at FlightSafety in Vero Beach, but it's really between the student and the CFI IMHO.
 
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"As you pulled the gear up, I pulled the gear motor circuit breaker, waited seven seconds and (did something to turn off the lights) You did that entire *expletive deleted* approach with the gear down"



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Wow.....that's a realistic EP situation......what a jackass DPE. And since when it flying an entire approach gear down a crime or against standards?
 
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Remember that guy across the airfield that we used when we were part-61? I finished FA314 and we didn't have self-examining authority for the old courses so this guys business got chopped big time right before I showed up for my checkride after we got self-examining authority.

There were two. One guy was really cool, the other one was the old crotchety guy with something to prove. I can't remember his name.

Lemme go check the logbook...

Nope, his name wasn't in my logbook. But man, what nostalgia! Greg Dunn, Ann Saeblok, Mike Lefevre, man, those were the days!
 
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I know on the Seneca it's "three green, no red, one in the mirror," and if the gear isn't showing down you go circuit breakers, master, alternators, nav lights (off). If that didn't tell you something then you start manual extension. SouI haven't flown commercial in many years now, but isn't the cockpit door locked up tight nowadays when pax are boarding/already seated?nds to me like the guy woulda flunked you no matter what, though. About the only thing that would have indicated the gear was still down (other than flight characteristics) would be either a red "gear unsafe" light and visual check on a non-existant mirror. If he pulled the breaker and turned on the nav lights before you raised the gear, the system would probably never give you a red light since the gear would technically still be locked. Sounds to me like the guy was out to bust somebody and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.....
 
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Tony, If you are ever in a real emergency diregard anything you have ever heard about "shock cooling" and do whatever you have to in order to get down imaediatly.

I teach a real emergency descent like this

Nose down, wing down, Vne &amp; 60 bank

Everything out (yes flaps too, if there is a fire I don't care about damaging the flap mounts)

Everything off

Obviously this can't be demonstrated in a training enviroment. But it is a good trick to keep up your sleeve.


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Why the 60 degree bank? It doesn't make you decent any faster. The vertical lift that you lose by banking the plane is lost since you have to pull up to stay below Vne. Contrary to what most people believe, banking 60 degree or not, if you're pushing the nose down to get a Vne KIAS your descent rate will be the same.
 
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