Jersey Shore - Post Sandy

[Matt13C]

And this, my friends, is why you don't build a house right next to the ocean.

I'm sorry but that's an incredibly arrogant, uneducated response to a huge tragedy.

Having been personally impacted by this storm, I can tell you that it was not as simple as you make it sound.

First, what you say sounds great in theory, but in practice the habitable space for humans would be incredibly small if we avoided potential danger areas. Hurricanes/Typhoons, fault lines, volcanic activity, snow storms, wind storms, fire, tornadoes, drought or simple lack of water. That eats up most of the country or world for that matter.

Second, this was not a known eventuality like an earth quake on the San Andreas fault, this was a massive storm the likes that we have never seen before. It's great to say, dont build on the coast. But when hurricanes, especially of this magnitude and size are rare to almost unlikely, its like telling a person not to build in Arizona because of the snow. Sure, Hurricanes happen up here, we've been through them before, just last year actually. They caused some damage but nothing like this. The devastation is much greater than what the cat 1 classification implies.

A full state inland, there are areas so badly hit that trees that stood for 50 years, weathered hundreds of thunderstorms and previous hurricanes lay toppled, on houses in mass numbers from this storm. I have seen this personally, walked streets where neighbors I grew up with are standing outside there house with multiple trees resting on it. Miraculously no one was hurt, houses can be repaired or replaced. But then again, I guess in your eyes it is their fault for building there.

 

[scooter2525]

Why not wear one? Lol It has a nice intercom system in this plane. It was better then screaming at each other for two hours.

I think he might be saying that a Cub is the type of aircraft that should be radio (electrical) free...

 

[n57flyguy]

Why not wear one? Lol It has a nice intercom system in this plane. It was better then screaming at each other for two hours.

Haha, it was a joke. It does look like a nice plane, have any more pictures of it?

 

[Tworotor7]

Haha, it was a joke. It does look like a nice plane, have any more pictures of it?

lol I figured. Ill try to find some... its a great plane. I love flying it

 

[n57flyguy]

Nothing beats flying a Cub, except maybe a Pitts.

 

[grkero]

Every area has it's threatening natural disasters specific to the area. Floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, mudslides, etc. I guess you just have to pick the lesser of evil when you look to live somewhere.

 

[mikeypat15]

And this, my friends, is why you don't build a house right next to the ocean.

So should a person not build a home in the country because there is a fraction of a percent that their house is destroyed by a Tornado? People shouldn't live in California because of Earthquakes? Seattle because of Mt. Rainer?

 

[Skåning]

 

[HRDiva]

Wait, what?

Sandy isn't an Andrew, and it's certainly not a Katrina. A big storm, yes. A big storm that hit underprepared coastal areas...? Yes. (Perhaps the same people who said New Orleans shouldn't have been built below sea level would agree that New York shouldn't be built on an island at the mercy of the sea, and that you shouldn't build on barrier islands and coastlines in general...? The sea is a harsh mistress, and always has been.)

At any rate, a big storm? Yeah, sure. Decent storm surge, good strong winds, good intensity on the northeast side... powerful system to feed it... check, check, check and check. But a category five hurricane it was not.

Years after Andrew, Homestead was still a mess. New Orleans... anyway, "Far more damage"? ... just no. Lots of money, perhaps, but that's just because New York knows how to play with funny money.

I get a little sick every time I hear someone say "This is New York's Katrina".

-Fox

You totally don't get my point. Storms that do a lot of damage are becoming more frequent. Storms that would have not done a lot of damage 20 years ago are now doing far more damage because they are bigger in mass because there is more moisture from climate change. They predict a really snowy winter too. In other areas of the country there are droughts because the warmer temperatures mean the snow
melts too fast on the mountains. So it's not the slower melt that ultimately reaches lands further away.

And it takes forever for Florida to rebound. It took years after the hurricanes of 2005. Flying over, all you would see were blue tarps the roof. I sat next to a teacher on a flight who was moving after 3years of not being able to get her home repaired because there was such a long waiting list with contractors. But I know contractors from the north tried to help. But the licensing process was too difficult. So they gave up.

I certainly didn't call this Katrina.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

And it takes forever for Florida to rebound. It took years after the hurricanes of 2005. Flying over, all you would see were blue tarps the roof. I sat next to a teacher on a flight who was moving after 3years of not being able to get her home repaired because there was such a long waiting list with contractors. But I know contractors from the north tried to help. But the licensing process was too difficult. So they gave up.

The contractors have had a rough time here - there haven't been any major storms in 7 years (they average every other year around here). The housing bust on top of that. And the licensing/inspections are more of a political thing (imagine that).

"Storms doing more damage" has a lot to do with there simply being many more things to damage than were there 20 years ago.

 

[HRDiva]

The contractors have had a rough time here - there haven't been any major storms in 7 years (they average every other year around here). The housing bust on top of that. And the licensing/inspections are more of a political thing (imagine that).

"Storms doing more damage" has a lot to do with there simply being many more things to damage than were there 20 years ago.

My neighborhood was mature more than 20 years ago. Where I grew up in NYC was built in 1949. There is more damage with every storm than there ever was. The storms are more severe and more frequent and more trees fall.

 

[Maurus]

The contractors have had a rough time here - there haven't been any major storms in 7 years (they average every other year around here). The housing bust on top of that. And the licensing/inspections are more of a political thing (imagine that).

"Storms doing more damage" has a lot to do with there simply being many more things to damage than were there 20 years ago.

Don't forget that buildings are likely built differently in Florida rather than New York. Buildings are built for earthquakes in Cali. Buildings will be built for hurricanes in Florida. New York rarely gets a good hurricane and buildings are not going to built for that. Why spend the extra money for something that rarely ever happens?

 

[ASpilot2be]

And this, my friends, is why you don't build a house right next to the ocean.

You can build a house next the ocean and be fine. Before you do that you have to take a few things into consideration. What is the soil made of? Is it going to erode or fall into the ocean during a storm or big earthquake? Also, what is the the shore like? If it is a gentle slope then you have a risk of bigger waves, or even tsunamis.

 

[pullup]

There is more damage with every storm than there ever was. The storms are more severe and more frequent and more trees fall.

Source?

 

[drunkenbeagle]

Don't forget that buildings are likely built differently in Florida rather than New York. Buildings are built for earthquakes in Cali. Buildings will be built for hurricanes in Florida. New York rarely gets a good hurricane and buildings are not going to built for that. Why spend the extra money for something that rarely ever happens?

Yeah, well, we kind of expect flooding here. And pay for very expensive flood insurance.

 

[HRDiva]

OK. I give up. The snow days at work that are documented, etc mean nothing. There is no such thing as climate change. Everything is wonderful and we can only look forward to perpetual sunny skies and prosperity.

You guys go back to your banter about drinking and how people should not build homes anywhere. I have better thing to do. But don't dare complain when the next bunch of storms arrive.

 

[TFaudree_ERAU]

Second, this was not a known eventuality like an earth quake on the San Andreas fault, this was a massive storm the likes that we have never seen before.

Never?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane

 

[mastermags]

Does the word "tacky" mean anything to you?

 

[amjon]

And it takes forever for Florida to rebound. It took years after the hurricanes of 2005. Flying over, all you would see were blue tarps the roof. I sat next to a teacher on a flight who was moving after 3years of not being able to get her home repaired because there was such a long waiting list with contractors. But I know contractors from the north tried to help. But the licensing process was too difficult. So they gave up.

I certainly didn't call this Katrina.

They were in 2004 and was 3 in a row. It does take awhile for things to get back to normal. The thing about Florida is that it is built more to prepare for hurricanes. Most of the homes/ buildings in the NE are very old and not built to current hurricane standards. Most of the homes in our area are concrete block, which withstands winds well. Homes built on the coast are usually raised or protected from flooding in some way. The water damage is usually the worst part of the storm and is almost always the most deadly. We rarely get that in Central Florida (though the 3 punch did bring in so much rain many low lying areas were flooded).

 

[pete2800]

So should a person not build a home in the country because there is a fraction of a percent that their house is destroyed by a Tornado? People shouldn't live in California because of Earthquakes? Seattle because of Mt. Rainer?

For the record, Seattle is far enough from Ranier to be clear of pretty much any potential problem. Even a St. Helens sized blast wouldn't do much to the city, other than make it very dusty/ashy for a while and flood some rivers and lakes.

OK. I give up. The snow days at work that are documented, etc mean nothing. There is no such thing as climate change. Everything is wonderful and we can only look forward to perpetual sunny skies and prosperity.

You guys go back to your banter about drinking and how people should not build homes anywhere. I have better thing to do. But don't dare complain when the next bunch of storms arrive.

The point is that there are multiple factors. More houses existing = more houses damaged. Also, how many snow days a business has is hardly evidence for global-scale climate modification.

They were in 2004 and was 3 in a row. It does take awhile for things to get back to normal. The thing about Florida is that it is built more to prepare for hurricanes. Most of the homes/ buildings in the NE are very old and not built to current hurricane standards. Most of the homes in our area are concrete block, which withstands winds well. Homes built on the coast are usually raised or protected from flooding in some way. The water damage is usually the worst part of the storm and is almost always the most deadly. We rarely get that in Central Florida (though the 3 punch did bring in so much rain many low lying areas were flooded).

So all of Florida, right?