How many regional pilots can REALLY meet this requirement?

dasleben said:
Stick and rudder skills are important, no doubt. However, being a killer stick is only a fraction of the whole equation, IMO. There are plenty of outstanding stick and rudder pilots that I still wouldn't consider recommending for a job; good judgment, a professional attitude, and maturity are needed as well.
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You're right. It's a balance - the best pilots are excellent stick and rudder pilots with outstanding judgment, and the discipline to not have to prove it to people.
 
ppragman said:
You're right. It's a balance - the best pilots are excellent stick and rudder pilots with outstanding judgment, and the discipline to not have to prove it to people.
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... but what about trying to prove the point that stick and rudder skills and outstanding judgement are good to people...

... I don't think that'll ever stop. We're in danger of it going on forever. Yeah. We're dangerous.
 
Firebird2XC said:
... but what about trying to prove the point that stick and rudder skills and outstanding judgement are good to people...

... I don't think that'll ever stop. We're in danger of it going on forever. Yeah. We're dangerous.
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Well, if I had my druthers, I'd work for a company where I made enough money to own an airplane, then I'd fly the hell out of that on my time off. If you own a Citabria, and fly aerobatics and land on gravel bars on the weekend occasionally for fun, or a Baron or Lance and fly your family on trips all the time, or use it to commute, you can keep checking the "hand flying" and "light plane judgment box" that keeps you out of harms way while doing something fun. Unfortunately, we don't pay pilots enough to really do that at most levels of the game, so you're somewhat on your own for maintaining currency in difficult situations.
 
ppragman said:
Well, if I had my druthers, I'd work for a company where I made enough money to own an airplane, then I'd fly the hell out of that on my time off. If you own a Citabria, and fly aerobatics and land on gravel bars on the weekend occasionally for fun, or a Baron or Lance and fly your family on trips all the time, or use it to commute, you can keep checking the "hand flying" and "light plane judgment box" that keeps you out of harms way while doing something fun. Unfortunately, we don't pay pilots enough to really do that at most levels of the game, so you're somewhat on your own for maintaining currency in difficult situations.
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My comedic genius is obviously lost on some of us here. o_O
 
dasleben said:
No doubt true, at least in the stick and rudder sense. :)

Hell, I haven't actually landed the jet in 7 weeks...just got landing current again on my recurrent PC in the sim.
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I dunno, I've flown with more people in freight that don't use exponential inputs. Not very smooth... :confused:

About the only things I'd maybe consider giving the edge to the freight world are ADM in dealing with weather, taxiing(if you've flown freight, you'll know why I say this :)), and perhaps they may handle the day when the crap hits the fan better in a glass, automated jet. The likely hood of that being pretty unlikely. That's only if they can instantly drop back on their experience of flying as a /U through a thunderstorm upside down single engine. I doubt most could. You've already addressed what makes a good pilot overall.
 
How many freight dogs does it take to change a light bulb?
Infinitely many, none of them will ever write it up.

How many airline pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
6, one to write up the bulb, and 5 to argue on the Internet about why their airline is better or worse than the other 4 guys arguing on the Internet.

How many Alaska pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
Only one if the weather is bad and he doesn't want to go out in it.
 
Roger Roger said:
How many freight dogs does it take to change a light bulb?
Infinitely many, none of them will ever write it up.

How many airline pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
6, one to write up the bulb, and 5 to argue on the Internet about why their airline is better or worse than the other 4 guys arguing on the Internet.

How many Alaska pilots does it take to change a light bulb?
Only one if the weather is bad and he doesn't want to go out in it.
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I'll admit that I'm REALLY bad with this. If the engines are kind of working and the plane still technically exists in this world as an airplane, good to go! :oops:
 
UAL747400 said:
I dunno, I've flown with more people in freight that don't use exponential inputs. Not very smooth... :confused:

About the only things I give the edge to the freight world are ADM in dealing with weather, taxiing(if you've flown freight, you'll know why I say this :)), and perhaps they may handle the day when the crap hits the fan better in a glass, automated jet. The likely hood of that being pretty unlikely. That's only if they can instantly drop back on their experience of flying as a /U through a thunderstorm upside down single engine. I doubt most could. You've already addressed what makes a good pilot overall.
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Well, I just want to say...While I've never flown freight, I've checked the SPIFR-upside-down-in-a-thunderstorm box, and it's made me a much better pilot overall. In fact, those times flying at the edges of what's safe (and unintentionally, sometimes beyond) have laid a foundation that's really defined me as a pilot. And yes, I've had to dig into that bag of tricks a couple times since, which I owe to having flown SPIFR.

However, I can say that while I was a great stick with good judgment at that point, there's still lots of growth as a pilot once you get beyond the "I can fly an ILS to 1800 RVR upside down" phase. JC seems to light up regularly with people who seem to think that if you fly jets (particularly RJs) for a living, you're somehow less of a pilot. Those people are speaking from a very limited background, and I hope that other members realize that there are many ways to become a master of your craft (which I'm still working toward), not just the SPIFR way.

Sorry if I'm rambling...I'm enjoying a nice Argentinian red! :)
 
dasleben said:
Sorry if I'm rambling...I'm enjoying a nice Argentinian red! :)
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I don't know what that is, but it sounds like it has sauce in it and I hate you for that. I have to get up in six hours to fly through the remnants of (another word for prostitute)icane Sandy.
 
UAL747400 said:
ADM in dealing with weather, taxiing(if you've flown freight, you'll know why I say this :)), and perhaps they may handle the day when the crap hits the fan better in a glass, automated jet. The likely hood of that being pretty unlikely.
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Yet again, I have to mention....this is THE REASON that pilots are sitting in the front of the jet.
 
Hacker15e said:
Yet again, I have to mention....this is THE REASON that pilots are sitting in the front of the jet.
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This is true. Lets be honest. If you can't deal with that day, and deal with it very well. What is the point of you being there to begin with? They can automate the pilot out of the normal procedures already.
 
Bumblebee said:
yeah I think Tank Tank could take 'em... LOL he is HUGE!
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I'll give you three to two on the fat guy in the apron with the cleaver for first blood. Tank wins in the 5th.

scooter2525 said:
romanatwood (youtube) proved that they don't cook with cat...
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BS! :p
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After 7 years of freight doggin' I'm ready to not meet those requirements anymore. Ill be 30 next month and I'm already grizzled.



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dasleben said:
JC seems to light up regularly with people who seem to think that if you fly jets (particularly RJs) for a living, you're somehow less of a pilot. Those people are speaking from a very limited background, and I hope that other members realize that there are many ways to become a master of your craft (which I'm still working toward), not just the SPIFR way.
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Yeah amen. We still fly just about the same routes that turbo-props to 737 fly....I fly them with brand new 600hr FOs next to me sometimes....with plenty of broken parts.....with a non-existent dispatcher sometimes.....with a radar good to 50-75miles.....I get to handle ground delay programs, every afternoon (and some mornings) going to EWR...I get to play in the snow in St John's Newfoundland, and then head down to Quextolcuatl, Mexico that night with a diversion thrown in for a Super Houston Storm that goes tops out near the moon. ;-)

Ok...I'm being dramatic....but anyone that's handled a few years as a regional captain and not been violated, hurt, or bent metal can probably get up to speed on most aircraft.
 
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