AA/USair
- Thread starter turbomax97
- Start date
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
You really think that? You obviously haven't been doing this very long. There is no such thing as clearly defined language in ANY CBA, especially when it comes to integrating different pilot groups (with different or the same bargaining agent). Ya'll think you have an official number but remember at the end of the day, unless you are all on the same seniority list (and even then it may be questionable) you don't have anything.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Again, I've never seen anything from Zap to indicate that he's deserving of this vitriol. Maybe you can point out some specific posts if you're going to make those kids of allegations.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
I don't do vitriol towards fellow pilots except in very, very limited cases (think, scabs). While we're worth what we bargain, I reserve vitriol for the Frank Lorenzos of the world.
And there's really no "fair" way to integrate seniority lists. There are people at Delta still unhappy about how the Western integration went, and that was 25+ years and yet another merger ago. The "preserve expectations" (as applied in Pan Am-National) policy is probably the "rightest" way to do it. Stapling and straight DOH are the "wrongest". Unless of course my DOH is lower than everyone else's, in which case it's the absolute right thing to do.
(See what I'm saying?)
I'm well aware of what I was awarded when I was hired at Eagle. I refer to it as the "highly abstract possibility of working for American Airlines." I'll believe it when I have that letter saying "Congrats, report to the Academy" in my hand.
And there's really no "fair" way to integrate seniority lists. There are people at Delta still unhappy about how the Western integration went, and that was 25+ years and yet another merger ago. The "preserve expectations" (as applied in Pan Am-National) policy is probably the "rightest" way to do it. Stapling and straight DOH are the "wrongest". Unless of course my DOH is lower than everyone else's, in which case it's the absolute right thing to do.
(See what I'm saying?)
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Trust me. There's so much language written at AMR about who gets to go when and where you need a few days just to read it. But hey, go ahead with the assumptions. That's working well for you.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
None of that matters. Language DOESN'T matter. Intent doesn't matter. Ask anybody who's been through this sort of thing before. At the end of the day the group holding the cards (and trust me, in this case it won't be Eagle) is the one that decides how stuff plays out. If AMR (or whomever ends up managing the place) and APA wants to put Eagle pilots on the list per the language, they will. If they don't, they won't.
But hey, that's just my reality and I have no problem admitting I was wrong if I ever have to ask you for your 777 jumpseat.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
It's already done. In one way or another thousands of Eagle pilots have a place at AA. Some are more defined than others. Some are on the list, and some are guaranteed in writing a place later. TWA pilots have a place in all that as well.
What part of this do you not understand? In some parts of it, the APA had no say in it at all- when Eagle pilots did.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
That, at least, is something we can agree on. I'm fairly certain there will be dramatic shifts in the landscape before the AMR bankruptcy is over. It is kind of fun to watch Horton scramble, though.
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
That is the part he it talking about. The numbered guys are AA pilots flying at Eagle so they must be offered recall. The 824 was a ruling and has the who, when and how well spelled out. Now the the protected pilots agreement has so many holes I don't think any pilots are going to flow under it.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
AFAICR, he, Garton and Parker were all cubicle-mates at American, or something like that.
The words "fait accompli" almost come to mind.
granlistillo
Well-Known Member
Firebird,
I don't know you, and please don't take this wrong-but the only thing "they" can't take from you is your dignity. Only you can. I have to tell this to myself all the time.
I hope it works out for everyone.
I don't know you, and please don't take this wrong-but the only thing "they" can't take from you is your dignity. Only you can. I have to tell this to myself all the time.
I hope it works out for everyone.