JetBlue captain subdued after pounding on cockpit

tomokc said:
On the other hand, doctors are known to be mercurial, explosive narcisists, yet their outbursts are almost always behind closed doors. They scream at assistants, throw instruments during sugery, even curse sedated patients on the table - the public expects no better of doctors, and aren't surprised when they are kept waiting for appointments.

Dr. Fill-In-The-Blank kicks a nurse - that's not even cocktail party chatter.
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I used to sit in on surgeries in a previous job as a med device rep. Never saw anything like that. Where have you seen it?
 
Ian J said:
I used to sit in on surgeries in a previous job as a med device rep. Never saw anything like that. Where have you seen it?
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See post 185.

My wife's an RN, works in education, and her hospital is trying to integrate CRM into its practices, using commercial airline pilots as consultants & speakers. She has decades of experiences with explosive doctors & surgeons when she was in direct care and ICU management.
 
I'll vouch for what tomokc says - I've seen everything he refers to and then some, including a few incidents that should have involved charges being filed.
There are a subset who view themselves as megalomaniac dictators of a small country, and feel they have the right to flog people at will. Then they can't find staff willing to work with them regularly, have more tantrums because no one knows their preferences, rant and rave some more, and the cycle repeats itself.
However like any group, the majority are not like that. I have free access to one guy's Bonanza. We also have one who served in the Soviet Army in Afghanistan (!!), is both technically superb and a good person, and has pretty well mastered CRM.
 
tomokc said:
See post 185.

My wife's an RN, works in education, and her hospital is trying to integrate CRM into its practices, using commercial airline pilots as consultants & speakers. She has decades of experiences with explosive doctors & surgeons when she was in direct care and ICU management.
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Understood - you/she have more experience than me so I'll take your word.
 
Anyone have any opinions on why the latest breakdowns in the news were all employees of JetBlue? (pilot a couple weeks ago and the flight attendant last year)
 
Captain Osbon pleaded not guilty, and was found not guilty by reason of insanity. To be sent to mental center for evaluation.

Amarillo, TX - The JetBlue pilot who forced an emergency landing at Rick Husband International Airport back in March was found not guilty Tuesday.

An Amarillo federal judge found former Captain Clayton F. Osbon not guilty by reason of insanity during a bench trial.

Osbon will be sent back to a federal mental health facility in Fort Worth for further examination.

He's expected to be brought back to Amarillo in August for another hearing.

In April, Judge Mary Lou Robinson signed an order sending Osbon to a medical facility to undergo psychiatric treatment.

He was found mentally competent to stand trial June 15.

On March 27, co-pilot Jason Dowd diverted a flight heading to Las Vegas from New York after Osbon began yelling about the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and pounding on the cockpit door.

When Osbon returns to Amarillo, the judge will review medical recommendations to determine whether any restrictions will be placed on him prior to being released.
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Story here:

http://www.newschannel10.com/story/18944429/jetblue-pilot-clayton-osbon-found-not-guilty
 
Thanks for posting that Mike. So often, the media tells the "breaking" part of the story that frequently is missing a lot of the facts and then fail to report the conclusion. I'm glad the pilot isn't getting thrown in jail over it.
 
Carrying pax? Hopefully never. Many things should be "unforgivable" that aren't in this industry regarding mental condition, this is one of them.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the guy, but there isn't room in commercial aviation to be nice to everyone. I only minored in psyche, so my opinion is based on that. Perhaps some other members with more psyche education than me can weigh in.
 
I'm very glad he's going to get a medical evaluation. There are a multitude of physiological factors that can lead to such behavior, and I hope the root cause of what happened to him can be uncovered and he can get help for it. That's what matters most.

He didn't belong in jail. He needs medical care, and I'm so glad that's what he's getting.
 
UAL747400 said:
Carrying pax? Hopefully never. Many things should be "unforgivable" that aren't in this industry regarding mental condition, this is one of them.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the guy, but there isn't room in commercial aviation to be nice to everyone. I only minored in psyche, so my opinion is based on that. Perhaps some other members with more psyche education than me can weigh in.
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I don't agree, but I don't have a minor in psych, so I'm open for some reasoning behind your statement.

I don't think you can really put out a blanket statement on a situation like this. What if it turns out he was having some sort of chemical imbalance based on his diet (or something else) that is easily fixable? Should that result in a perma-ban?

If nothing changes you're absolutely right on not letting this guy back behind the controls. But if they can put a finger on a cause and fix it, I'd feel more at ease in the back of the plane with this guy flying because figured out his issues, dealt with them, and presumably has the rest of his ducks in a row now too.
 
See my post on page 9 if you are interested in the strictly physiological(not psychological) issues that could have caused it. I'm also not onboard with the tar and feather clan for this guy. Assuming the FAA & AME deems him psychologically competent to resume his duties, I'd fly on an aircraft with him any day.
 
There are so many things, physiological and psychological, that can manifest itself as irrational behavior.

I'm not willing to put out a judgement of "he should never fly again" until the root cause is found and dealt with.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
If nothing changes you're absolutely right on not letting this guy back behind the controls. But if they can put a finger on a cause and fix it, I'd feel more at ease in the back of the plane with this guy flying because figured out his issues, dealt with them, and presumably has the rest of his ducks in a row now too.
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Absolutely. If it's a treatable medical issue, there's absolutely no reason he shouldn't be able to get his medical back and return to the cockpit. In fact, that "banned for life" attitude is extremely counterproductive; pilots who need help will avoid treatment in order to protect their careers. The FAA's previous stance toward hypertension is a good example of this; pilots were simply ignoring their hypertension until it killed them, potentially in their seats.

We need a more treatment-oriented approach to medical issues that will allow pilots to seek treatment without fear for their livelihoods.
 
UAL747400 said:
Carrying pax? Hopefully never. Many things should be "unforgivable" that aren't in this industry regarding mental condition, this is one of them.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for the guy, but there isn't room in commercial aviation to be nice to everyone. I only minored in psyche, so my opinion is based on that. Perhaps some other members with more psyche education than me can weigh in.
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Sorry guess I should've had a sarcasm tag.
 
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