Nav Light Out, Captain wants to go. WWYD?

ATN_Pilot said:
In an interview, they aren't looking for someone to say the they'll be a "team player" and look the other way. They want to know that you're a guy who follows the rules.
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I don't know about that one, I think it really depends on the company there. It sure seems like a delicate dance for the interviewee... not wanting to seem like an FAA boy scout while at the same time not wanting to look like a total John Wayne (cowboy).

What to do, what to do... I just got a job flying jumpers and have noticed that they prefer me to not notice mechanical problems. I try to find the balance between safety and efficiency... I guess that would be my answer.
 
PizzaGuy said:
What to do, what to do... I just got a job flying jumpers and have noticed that they prefer me to not notice mechanical problems. I try to find the balance between safety and efficiency... I guess that would be my answer.
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Tell them they need to pay you more. The more they pay you, the less you'll notice.......

:)
 
PizzaGuy said:
I don't know about that one, I think it really depends on the company there. It sure seems like a delicate dance for the interviewee... not wanting to seem like an FAA boy scout while at the same time not wanting to look like a total John Wayne (cowboy).

What to do, what to do... I just got a job flying jumpers and have noticed that they prefer me to not notice mechanical problems. I try to find the balance between safety and efficiency... I guess that would be my answer.
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Let me be more clear: airlines that you might actually like to spend a career with want to know that you follow the rules. Fly-by-night operations? Different story. Tell Delta that you "try to find the balance between safety and efficiency" and the interview will be over.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Tell Delta that you "try to find the balance between safety and efficiency" and the interview will be over.
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You may as well tell Delta in the interview that you ".....try to find the balance between wearing the full-double breasted suit and hat, and not wearing it." :)
 
You mean the Soviet sub commander uniform? :)

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Come to think of it, I think the Soviets actually had less flare than Delta. :)
 
mrivc211 said:
You guess right, but honestly I haven't had an FO approach me about a burned out light in years. I have FA's tell me we have burned out emergency lights more often than burned out nav lights. Mx does a pretty good job here.
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No kidding. I was on a couple of your guys' -200s the other day. Friggin spotless. Whereas over at Surejet I seriously think that we could improve our fuel numbers if they just cleaned the grunge (inside and out) off the plane. Would save hundreds of pounds.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That's what I ask through 10,000ft. If its smooth "one ping only?" If not "two pings"
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Ahhh I see what you two did there...


On a serious note, and slightly on a tangent in RW this drives me up the wall! For our operation with the RJ, it is a simple write up with a simple response and one placard. I swear, 9/10 times when I tell the CA, hey we have a nav light out...they just stare at me and go back to what they were doing. What is so hard about writing that up. Now before we go any further, I realize I have the ability to write it up but it always has been a CA thing to write planes up and you are known as "one of those FOs" if you go writing stuff up. But really? Is it that hard. We aren't talking about something that will jack up a commute but a dumb bulb. I just hate the attitude of "someone else will write it up" or "they will figure it out on the ISC". Laziness!
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
On a serious note, and slightly on a tangent in RW this drives me up the wall! For our operation with the RJ, it is a simple write up with a simple response and one placard. I swear, 9/10 times when I tell the CA, hey we have a nav light out...they just stare at me and go back to what they were doing. What is so hard about writing that up. Now before we go any further, I realize I have the ability to write it up but it always has been a CA thing to write planes up and you are known as "one of those FOs" if you go writing stuff up. But really? Is it that hard. We aren't talking about something that will jack up a commute but a dumb bulb. I just hate the attitude of "someone else will write it up" or "they will figure it out on the ISC". Laziness!
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Are there any limitations on your airframe with a nav light MEL'd?
 
SteveC said:
Are there any limitations on your airframe with a nav light MEL'd?
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No. We have two per wing and two on the tail. As long as both aren't out, it is a simple placard with no limitation. I realize the insignificance of it but it is just laziness and puts the FOs in a bad spot.
 
Ok what if your taxing out and number 3 in line with 10 behind you waiting for take off and it burns out. WYD?
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
No. We have two per wing and two on the tail. As long as both aren't out, it is a simple placard with no limitation. I realize the insignificance of it but it is just laziness and puts the FOs in a bad spot.
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Have to agree with you. Same thing on our E-6, two lights per location. However, I'm of the mindset if you don't write it up, noone will EVER change it. At least, not before it does become an issue when both are burned out.

I'm in the minority amongst the Flight Engineers here though. Guess it helps that I'm the lead and set our policy at the moment. :bounce:
 
ATN_Pilot said:
In an interview, answer is simple: call maintenance. If they say that it can be MEL'd, then MEL it. If it's a no-go item, then you don't go. In an interview, they aren't looking for someone to say the they'll be a "team player" and look the other way. They want to know that you're a guy who follows the rules.
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"Call maintenance" is not a bad answer, but the part about being able to MEL it if they say you can is not the right answer. I've seen maintenance (and dispatch), try to convince captains that things were "A-OK" when they were not. There is a story about a CRJ with a sawed off Pitot tube (I think Bombardier was shocked the pilots did not crash it). Heck, every airline pilot probably has a story. If it is not on the MEL that you can read... it isn't.
 
MikeD said:
What are you talking about? Maintenance and dispatch would never lie to you. Ever.


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Sorry. What was I thinking. I mean of COURSE ATC will give you direct to KATL as dispatch flight planned it so you would not exceed your duty day.
 
Blackhawk said:
"Call maintenance" is not a bad answer, but the part about being able to MEL it if they say you can is not the right answer. I've seen maintenance (and dispatch), try to convince captains that things were "A-OK" when they were not. There is a story about a CRJ with a sawed off Pitot tube (I think Bombardier was shocked the pilots did not crash it). Heck, every airline pilot probably has a story. If it is not on the MEL that you can read... it isn't.
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Of course, but if something can be MEL'd, then MX would have to give you the MEL number, and you would be able to verify it. I don't go digging through MEL books looking for MELs. I call MX. If they say to MEL it, then I ask for the number and then look it up. They can do the hard part of finding the MEL for me first. :)
 
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