PNCL Files Chapter 11

I just read the bankruptcy document. It was filed on April 1, 2012 at 23:18:04 Eastern Standard Time.

The voluntary petition is not complete as of yet and only contains a list of the 50 largest unsecured creditors. The airline will have a couple of weeks to fill in the missing pieces.

The top three debts are listed as contracts with United Air Lines, Fairbrook Leasing, Inc and Siemens Financial Services, Inc. There is not an amount listed for these top three unsecured creditors. They are listed as unliquidated.

The first debt listed with an amount is to Standard Aero at $3,753,156.88 (Aircraft Maintenance Parts and Services)

Creditors 5 and 6 are for Crew Hotel Charges of $3,693,857.13 and $3,344.025.48

Of interest is creditor 24 who is former Chief Executive Philip H Trenary and creditor 28 who is former COO Douglas Shockey. Amounts are not listed.

I won't list the next 44, but they are for landing fees, property taxes, aircraft parts, etc.

According to the filing, Pinnacle Airlines Corp is the 100% owner of the bankrupt Pinnacle Airlines, Inc.

The documents were all signed by John Spanjers, who has the title of, "Authorized Officer."

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Personal thoughts here.

1. The voluntary petition is not complete because it does not list all of the creditors. This might indicate the bankruptcy filing was rushed to prevent a creditor(s) from taking action.

2. The voluntary petition was filed on a Sunday evening at 11:18 PM. This also might indicate that the bankruptcy was filed to stop a creditor(s) from doing something that Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. did not want to happen. While it is not unheard of for emergency bankruptcy filings to happen over a weekend, as a general rule they are not filed over the weekend (when the court is closed) without a good reason.

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More personal thoughts.

I don't know the exact number, but we believe Pinnacle carries up to 50% of Delta's domestic passengers. This filing will have a big effect on Delta and that is probably the reason they are willing to provide 70+ million in DIP financing for Pinnacle to continue operating. From Delta's perspective, if they lose 50% of their domestic feed, they will lose a lot more than 70 million in lost revenue.

It is my belief that this problem was originally caused by the prior management not hiring enough pilots at a time when passenger loads were increasing. This created a crew shortage at Pinnacle that finally blew up in February 2010 resulting in hundreds of flights being cancelled and Delta passengers being stranded. This caused Delta to reduce service to cities served by Pinnacle in an effort to "right size" Pinnacle to the actual number of pilots on Pinnacles payroll. This caused the long time CEO to suddenly resign. This then resulted in a reduction of revenue to Pinnacle of over 20% which then put them in an unprofitable business.

Remember the mainline carriers outsourced to the regionals to save money. This regional has now hit the wall. If Delta wants to keep Pinnacle feeding their passengers, they will have to get out their checkbook. That is probably their only choice for the near future. After that, Delta will probably need to fly many of the routes.

Joe
 
Here's my guess.

It was announced that they're going to a current United Express affiliate.

The airlines that fly for UAex are:

Cape Air
CHQ
Colgan
CommutAir
XJT
gojets
Mesa
Shuttle
Silver
Skywest
TSA

My guess is either Skywest or C5. I have heard some arguments from both sides, it will be interesting to see what happens.

I just wish this wasn't even an issue to be discussed. Really sucks. Has there been any talk of Colgan guys going with the planes? Isn't that in the JCBA?

Yes, with a 4% transfer, salle, or asset aquisition, it activates a clause in the contract.

This is the cheapest way to get rid of the planes, otherwise they will be paying immense training costs.

The pilots take the contract with them as well... it's prob. best case for the pilots as well. (not that I would want to go through yet another merger - jcba req'd by scope) C5 would LOVE it, as it would force the 9l JCBA on them... :)
 
This whole thing makes no sense whatsoever. We aren't making money on our entire operation, so we are selling part of it that may or may not (I have no idea) have contributed to our monetary losses, so that it can go make money for someone else? And, oh yeah, we will try to gut our BRAND NEW contract in the process.

I've always assumed Pinnacle (and probably most other airlines) were simply pyramid schemes involving airplanes rather than actual, functioning aviation enterprises but holy cow, this takes the cake.
 
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First off everyone, I'm sorry to hear the news. I was at Pinnacle for just under 4 years and still have many friends flying there. Good luck to all.

My thoughts on this go along with some of what has been said already in this thread. First, the Bloch award was for any change of position, including displacement. A certain number of Captain positions will be protected for Pinnacle and Mesaba pilots for the next 4 years. Good for the current jet captains, but could be bad for the current jet first officers who will be on the street as prop pilots start coming over. I guess now we will see how the old Colgan pilots feel about a more junior pilot upgrading before they do. That award was one of the most unfair documents I have ever seen. It was unfair before and will be unfair in the future. The only thing changing is who it is unfair toward.

That said, I could see management making a case for getting the Bloch award thrown out completely. They could argue financial hardship based on the award and attempt to have it overruled. This would allow them to furlough the current prop guys without going "out of seniority." This would create a problem with the pilots who have already gone from one side to the other, but with how slow 11-09 has actually played out, it almost seems like this was the plan all along. Not saying this will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised.

As for where the Q400 end up, I have no idea. But don't fool yourself and think that Republic, or someone else, couldn't attract enough pilots. While they may not be able to train them in time, ANY airline out there will be able to get applicants. Sure Republic is struggling to attract people now, but get a contract for 30 new airplanes and they will be turning people away. Pilots will chase the instant seniority and between AE, Comair, and now Pinnacle, there will be plenty of furloughs out there. Sad but true and that is actually how I ended up at Pinnacle in the first place. Being furloughed will make you do some strange things.

I also highly doubt that the pilots will go with the planes in this scenario. Pinnacle is not selling the airline, or the planes. Pinnacle is declaring bankruptcy. They are giving the airplanes back to the creditor who will then sell/lease them to someone else.

This whole thing stinks and my heart goes out to all involved. Try to stay positive and fly safe. Good luck to you.
 
That said, I could see management making a case for getting the Bloch award thrown out completely. They could argue financial hardship based on the award and attempt to have it overruled. This would allow them to furlough the current prop guys without going "out of seniority." This would create a problem with the pilots who have already gone from one side to the other, but with how slow 11-09 has actually played out, it almost seems like this was the plan all along. Not saying this will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I also highly doubt that the pilots will go with the planes in this scenario. Pinnacle is not selling the airline, or the planes. Pinnacle is declaring bankruptcy. They are giving the airplanes back to the creditor who will then sell/lease them to someone else.

This whole thing stinks and my heart goes out to all involved. Try to stay positive and fly safe. Good luck to you.
Furloughs are dealt with in the JCBA, not eh Bloch ISL, thats why getting the ISL language tossed would be about the only thing they could mannage without going over the Eagle ruling.

JCBA covers the sale of airplanes, not just the airline. If they sell off 4% it activates a rider in the JCBA scope language, the pilots go with (sale, transfer or purchase of assets - the pilots, contract and language go with it, and stay. a third party sale doesn't invaliate this). Further, they have only said PNCL will cease colgan operations. If they sell the whole side as a turn key op, they would sell the cert,facilities and pilot group... just like when PNCL bought us. I expect this happens as soon as the saabs are off property. Acutually, I *HOPE* this happens. if that were the case, it would prevent the mechanics, dispatchers, managers etc from getting kicked to the street.

A straight up sale of a Q400 only Colgan would actually be a positive outcome for a very large part of the colgan family. I really hope for the best for all of them. Menke may be putting 3,000 people on the street. I'd hope he'd man up and not take the 250,000 while putting that many people on unemployment... but, I doubt it.
 
JCBA covers the sale of airplanes, not just the airline. If they sell off 4% it activates a rider in the JCBA scope language, the pilots go with (sale, transfer or purchase of assets - the pilots, contract and language go with it, and stay. a third party sale doesn't invaliate this). Further, they have only said PNCL will cease colgan operations. If they sell the whole side as a turn key op, they would sell the cert,facilities and pilot group... just like when PNCL bought us. I expect this happens as soon as the saabs are off property. Acutually, I *HOPE* this happens. if that were the case, it would prevent the mechanics, dispatchers, managers etc from getting kicked to the street.

My point was that is seems to me that Pinnacle is not selling the airplanes. The planes will go back to the creditor in bankruptcy and the creditor will sell/lease the planes to another airline. That airline will have a whole new contract with United. I will bet that gets around the scope language.
 
My point was that is seems to me that Pinnacle is not selling the airplanes. The planes will go back to the creditor in bankruptcy and the creditor will sell/lease the planes to another airline. That airline will have a whole new contract with United. I will bet that gets around the scope language.

Most likely.
 
My point was that is seems to me that Pinnacle is not selling the airplanes. The planes will go back to the creditor in bankruptcy and the creditor will sell/lease the planes to another airline. That airline will have a whole new contract with United. I will bet that gets around the scope language.
that's a transfer of assets. Not all planes are financed. Originals owned outright.
 
that's a transfer of assets. Not all planes are financed. Originals owned outright.
I should add, I don't think pncl. Wants the pilots, if that's the case, I'm pretty sure they would try to send them with the planes. If the dump the planes but not pilots that's 600+ training events, furloughs from multiple ops/equipment. Cheapest option of to get it gone all together
 
Any idea how furloughs work when one aircraft is parked before another but there are people junior to you on the aircraft being parked later?
 
that's a transfer of assets. Not all planes are financed. Originals owned outright.

I was unaware that any of the Q400s were owned outright. If that is true, then I stand corrected.

I should add, I don't think pncl. Wants the pilots, if that's the case, I'm pretty sure they would try to send them with the planes. If the dump the planes but not pilots that's 600+ training events, furloughs from multiple ops/equipment. Cheapest option of to get it gone all together

I agree with this. I believe management would be happiest if the pilots went with the planes. It is in their best interest financially. I just don't see someone jumping in to make the offer.

You suggest that another airline may want to jump in and buy Colgan outright. I can only see this happening with a renegotiated contract with United, which will probably happen. That said, I have another question. Who is on the hook for the Buffalo lawsuit? That will be a rather large payout and currently Pinnacle Corp will have to pay. If Colgan is sold, does the lawsuit follow the airline, or stay with the current parent company? That answer will probably answer the question as to whether or not Colgan will be purchased.
 
that's a transfer of assets. Not all planes are financed. Originals owned outright.
I'm not sure if any were owned outright. I know pncl had them financed and were making debt payments on them but I couldn't tell you if they paid any of them off completely. In that case, this would be sort of a repo from the bank and they actually can do what they want with them.
 
You suggest that another airline may want to jump in and buy Colgan outright. I can only see this happening with a renegotiated contract with United, which will probably happen. That said, I have another question. Who is on the hook for the Buffalo lawsuit? That will be a rather large payout and currently Pinnacle Corp will have to pay. If Colgan is sold, does the lawsuit follow the airline, or stay with the current parent company? That answer will probably answer the question as to whether or not Colgan will be purchased.

From what I understand the insurance company is on the hook for the lawsuit not pinnaglo corp
 
Any idea how furloughs work when one aircraft is parked before another but there are people junior to you on the aircraft being parked later?
Thats an excellent question Rob... if I am senior to people on the Q but I am on the Saab do I displace them with the sale of the aircraft? I think thats what you are asking at least.... I would hope seniority rules but don't quote me on that.
 
I'd be surprised if any aircraft were owned outright. Export Development Canada offers such good financing (to induce people to buy Canadian exports) that it is usually a better deal to finance aircraft. Same can be said for the US and European versions.
 
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