Professionalism...is sometimes lacking.

X-Forces said:
Than I would say that about 90% of the Capts at are operation are not professional by your standards.
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What airline do you fly for? I'd like to avoid it.

By my standards, you sound like an extension of the autopilot, which in itself is as dangerous as any of the above.
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At your next airline interview, please be sure to inform the interviewer that you feel that following company profiles is "dangerous," and makes you "an extension of the autopilot," and tell him how you are smarter than the company, the manufacturer, and the performance engineers who designed the profiles. I'm sure he will be so impressed that he will hire you on the spot. :sarcasm:

I'm amazed that anyone thinks that flying the jet the way the company pays you to fly it is a crazy concept.
 
Baronman said:
Flying profiles though (at least at my company) is mostly "technique." More like, "that's what the company would like," but most either disregard or are unable to follow.
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It was mostly the same way at my last company. Of course, that's the company that ended up crashing an airplane after the crew decided to hot-dog it on a repo flight. Thankfully, my current company is nothing like that. It is incredibly rare for me to fly someone who doesn't do things exactly as the company prescribes. The cost index from the dispatch release goes in the FMS, and it programs all of the speeds, climbs, and descents, and we generally don't touch it unless there is an operational need. The company has worked with Boeing and our own engineers to come up with that cost index, and it changes from time to time based on fuel costs and other factors. I think they know best, and they are paying me to do it their way.
 
jynxyjoe said:
I don't mind 3.0k descent as long as you enter in 500 ft at a time
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Exactly. The VNAV on the 717 will frequently exceed 3k fpm, especially when there's a tailwind, but the autoflight system is programmed to make it a nice smooth initiation of the descent and level off. The people in the back never notice.
 
mojo6911 said:
That is the thing. He was a passenger in the back of a regional jet. He is asserting that something happened, when it may not have. I suspect if it were a random poster instead of someone with a mod tag posting this, you would probably agree that someone sitting in the back of the plane doesn't have the proper perspective to question the professionalism of the crew.
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I don't care at all that he's a mod. If anything, that makes him more suspect. ;)

If a private pilot had said it, I'd probably scoff and say that he's not qualified to judge. But this isn't a private pilot. SteveC is quite experienced, and I think he knows normal procedure from unprofessional behavior.
 
Remember he's posting his personal opinion as a user of the website and not moderating! :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Exactly. The VNAV on the 717 will frequently exceed 3k fpm, especially when there's a tailwind, but the autoflight system is programmed to make it a nice smooth initiation of the descent and level off. The people in the back never notice.
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You flew the -200 long enough to know that a) there is no autoflight system to keep you on your cost index profile and b) "smooth" is not in the CRJ's autopilot repertoire.
 
BobDDuck said:
You flew the -200 long enough to know that a) there is no autoflight system to keep you on your cost index profile
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Sure, but there is VS Mode, Speed Mode, and Pitch Mode. Any of them can be used smoothly to track the VNAV profile. Just because it isn't coupled doesn't mean that it can't be followed. At Pinnacle, although nothing was in the book, the FMS default was set to 3 degrees. The company expected you to do at least that, although some check airmen advocated for 3.5 or 4.0 degrees.

and b) "smooth" is not in the CRJ's autopilot repertoire.
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Sure it is, although it's not as simple as it is in the 717. It just takes a little more work. If you engage Turb Mode, then either Speed Mode or Pitch Mode are smooth enough for initiating descents. With Pitch Mode, you just need to roll it in a little bit at a time. Even without Turb Mode, VS Mode can be very smooth, as long as you don't click in more than 200 fpm at once. Level offs can be done the same way to keep them smooth. That plane can fly incredibly smooth on the AP with a little bit of effort.
 
For a while I thought some of our callouts / profiles were silly... for example we had a 80kts call on the Dash-200, which really wasn't necessary. You ended up having to say really fast "80ktsV1-VR-ROTATE" because the speeds were so close. But then one day I started making a game out of it, to try to fly as close to what is in the CFM as possible, if it says I should say "Set vertical speed mode, select 1000fpm" then thats what I would say instead of what most people would say: "Vertical speed mode, set 1000fpm." or whatever. I think I started doing it to be pedantic and to see how annoying it actually was, but it got kind of fun to see how close I could get to exactly doing everything as the CFM described -- it made my recurrent checkride pretty easy at least.
 
Yeah, I agree that some of the callouts are a bit silly. If I don't have to say "descending 500 feet per minute" when I'm hand flying, then why do I need to say "Vert Speed down five hundred" when I'm using the autopilot? Makes no sense to me. I understand the use of FMA calls when learning the AP, but for general line use, I think it's time to get rid of them. But, as long as the company says I'm supposed to say them, and they keep depositing my pay check twice a month, I'll do it like they say. :)
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Yeah, I agree that some of the callouts are a bit silly. If I don't have to say "descending 500 feet per minute" when I'm hand flying, then why do I need to say "Vert Speed down five hundred" when I'm using the autopilot? Makes no sense to me. I understand the use of FMA calls when learning the AP, but for general line use, I think it's time to get rid of them. But, as long as the company says I'm supposed to say them, and they keep depositing my pay check twice a month, I'll do it like they say. :)
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I say things out loud at work because I talk to myself, not because the company wants me to.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
At your next airline interview, please be sure to inform the interviewer that you feel that following company profiles is "dangerous," and makes you "an extension of the autopilot," and tell him how you are smarter than the company, the manufacturer, and the performance engineers who designed the profiles. I'm sure he will be so impressed that he will hire you on the spot. :sarcasm:

I'm amazed that anyone thinks that flying the jet the way the company pays you to fly it is a crazy concept.
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You would do well in management.
 
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