dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Too steep for the pax? What kinda descents are you doing?
Professionalism...is sometimes lacking.
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Too steep for the pax? What kinda descents are you doing?
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Is that a technical term?
At Surejet east we tried the 4 degree descents for a while, but they didn't last long because lawn darting towards the ground with the power at idle (hardly any airflow on the -200) was pretty unpopular in the back.
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
Typically, a company profile descent flown right to the letter will result in about a 3100-3300 FPM descent. Most guys I fly with don't like to exceed 2500 FPM unless absolutely necessary. Just makes for a nicer ride, and fewer comments about "Wow...That was one hell of a descent"
Nope.
Curiously, what part of airline training involves a level accel post-takeoff and racking the Gs on, assuming it was as described? I thought it was all about smooth control and stuff. Seeing as how you're trained in that operation and all.
Sounds fun though, with my background!
jynxyjoe
Queso King
I don't mind 3.0k descent as long as you enter in 500 ft at a time. Never had any comments. The -900 has some sort of do-hicky in the back which will keep airflow in the back even during the descent.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Gonzo
Well-Known Member
The only thing I can come up with is a wind shear post 80kts or V1 based on the runway. More then likely it is not the case here but that is the best I got.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
It's something back there connected to the flangies.Maybe, I dunno...outflow valves?
Thats a fair answer. Could see that happening.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
That is the thing. He was a passenger in the back of a regional jet. He is asserting that something happened, when it may not have. I suspect if it were a random poster instead of someone with a mod tag posting this, you would probably agree that someone sitting in the back of the plane doesn't have the proper perspective to question the professionalism of the crew.
I am not the one asserting the crew is unprofessional by what I observed while looking out the window in the back of the plane. No need to take a jab at me. I just think the whole idea of it is a little ridiculous, that is all.
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Big Black Guy
I don't mind them at all as well, and I am sure that the majority of pax wouldn't mind so much either. However you have to play to the lowest common denominator on any given flight. That might be grandma Jones, aged 85 on her way to visit the grand kids. The guy with the fear of flying that gets rattled at nearly anything while airborne. The 6 month pregnant who is ready to yack, well, for nearly any reason!
You get the idea.
Ideally I would like climbs, with the exception of the initial climb of course, and descents to be gentle enough that the folks in the back aren't readily aware that it is taking place. My object is passenger comfort and sanctification, and if just one passenger can avoid discomfort though the minor modification of a descent then it is worth it.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Is it a pressurization issue that bothers them, or the deck angle? Honestly, I don't give much thought to the deck angle; ya gotta get down! VNAV specifically does idle descents at around 3000-3500fpm (whatever it needs to maintain an idle descent, really), though it's smooth about it. It does a nice job with climbs and level-offs, as well.
I've heard all mention of "stuff that scares passengers" though, ranging from not using the boards to waiting until you're slow to put the gear down (it's loud!)...first I've ever heard about minimizing climb/descent angle.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
LOL. Well we fly the profile and the CRJ-900 gives you 3-5k ft/min foot climb sometimes on an RNAV DP with autopilot on ... O well. The grandma and pregnant woman were gone from the beginning apparently.
For scaring the crap out of people the River Visual into DCA > 3.0k ft/min descent (much greater). We'll just go hold a while until the airport gets turned around I suppose. Change things in a slow, controlled manner and I have yet to have anyone complain about it. Of course, more likely, they are still scared to death after feeling my crash landing so this may not be a good test subject.
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Big Black Guy
exneophyte
Well-Known Member
New selling point for airline flights...it's like an amusement park ride!
Low level and pulling G's better also be preceded by a lesson on lift vectors, but I'm sure they're not using the PTS from UPT!
Not taking a jab, but you or I being in the same place could probably recognize what was described for what it was. Not the why, of course, but we'd be able to recognize the "what". It has nothing to do with a mod tag, Im only going on a description of what was seen by someone who's not the average Joe SixPack airline pax........heck if you had posted the same thing, Id give you the same credibility: the cred of being able to recognize what you saw, but maybe not why since you aren't in the cockpit of that exact jet (though you personally or others involved in that operation may know why specifically, but for sake of argument, lets assume it's just a very experienced pilot who flies similar type equipment, not necessarily one in that operation).
Yes, I understand that no one likes a backseat driver or the pax that think they know whats going on when they don't. Im fully with you there. But we're talking a fellow JCer (regardless of mod or not) who probably would recognize if something didn't appear normal, and was questioning the observation made and why a crew would do it; not some jabroni who had a ton of frequent flyer miles in coach. I have no idea why what was observed was....I don't fly RJs. Gonzo put up a reason that sounds plausible.....he flies the things, so I take him for his opinion. All Im saying is maybe those in the know and in the op could answer, and either say "yeah, actually we do this for this reason, so no it's not unprofessional Steve;" or "hmmm.......weird, never heard of that, it's not something we normally do (or not supposed to do, or can't do, etc), yeah, could be unprofessional if its not some exceptional circumstance"