Proper Way To Request Takeoff Clearance?

As Bumblebee mentioned, the phraseology was changed after the Tenerife Los Rodeos accident, where 580 odd people were killed when a KLM jumbo crashed into a PanAm jumbo as the KLM pilot heard the word take-off and, assuming it was his clearance, took off while the PanAm was on the runway.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I would guess so ATC won't have to tell him to hold short and he won't have to repeat it back if ATC is not ready for his departure-since they already know he is holding short they can just say "Roger" or whatever.

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right, If you say c1234 ready for departure runway 18, they will generally respond c1234 hold short runway18 and then you should read back c1234 holding short runway18...(I forgot why I'm in the habit of calling c1234 holding short until right now)...it is to be more efficient, that's why...
 
Olisse said:
As Bumblebee mentioned, the phraseology was changed after the Tenerife Los Rodeos accident, where 580 odd people were killed when a KLM jumbo crashed into a PanAm jumbo as the KLM pilot heard the word take-off and, assuming it was his clearance, took off while the PanAm was on the runway.
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yes it was almost the last link in the chain...with the FE onboard not speaking up and the radio being blocked at exactly the wrong second...

If you have not read this report, it is a critical examination of CRM. I highly recommend reading about the events at Tenerife.
 
I do it because its more efficient and cuts down on wasted transmissions between my aircraft and the tower. At a busy airport it helps everyone.
 
Bumblebee said:
right, If you say c1234 ready for departure runway 18, they will generally respond c1234 hold short runway18 and then you should read back c1234 holding short runway18...(I forgot why I'm in the habit of calling c1234 holding short until right now)...it is to be more efficient, that's why...
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Well that and you are required to read back any hold short instructions, I've heard sooooooo many pilots not read that back and controllers have to specifically ask for it one or two times. It is usually broadcast in the ATIS too. That's been the standard for a while now and it amazes me how many people don't repeat it.
 
Tower, TriPacer five six alpha ready to go two six at echo. And, uh, if you wait to call until there is no one on short final, you won't get told to hold short.
 
BajtheJino said:
This. Not to mention the guy thats three back in line calling the tower letting them know he's ready for departure.
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There was an aircraft that was #3 behind in JFK a few weeks ago that called "ready in sequence".

Tower said, "Uhhh. Ok".
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I would guess so ATC won't have to tell him to hold short and he won't have to repeat it back if ATC is not ready for his departure-since they already know he is holding short they can just say "Roger" or whatever.

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I'm pretty sure they still have to tell you to hold short. I could be wrong though.
 
Erik1010 said:
Do you fly freight? :D
I know you don't.
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Hehe, do the freight guys get an intersection departure everywhere? I've heard it in LGA a few times from Southwest (although it's such a large interwebs joke it's possible it's the Delta airplane just behind them pretending), thinking of it gives me a chuckle anyhow.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Hehe, do the freight guys get an intersection departure everywhere? I've heard it in LGA a few times from Southwest (although it's such a large interwebs joke it's possible it's the Delta airplane just behind them pretending), thinking of it gives me a chuckle anyhow.
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ya, for the most part. Whatever gets the freight there on time or early.
 
The GIA/Silver Airways way to do it is "Towah, ready for HIIIHOOOO SILVER, AWAYYYY!!!!" from what I've seen on here, recently. ;)
 
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