Anyone willing to take on low time FOs?
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jhugz
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pull the gear down and flaps. also help look for traffic
Negative, maybe load the boxes on the ground, or do the preflight/post in the crappy wx.
z987k
Well-Known Member
I agree it's worthless time, but I wouldn't call it PFJ, as there's no need for dead weight in the right seat, and if you weren't there then no one would be. It's more like a really expensive way to spend your time accomplishing nothing... although with an FO, we have reduced takeoff mins.
BEEF SUPREME
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Man, y'all are ruthless. Don't hate the player, hate the game bro.
I only hate people that say bro.
caliginousface
Frank N. Beans
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
It is an autopilot with auto-land
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
The OP never said if it was charter or cargo. If he did cargo it isn't PFJ. No job exists in the right seat for most 135 cargo aircraft
N519AT
Ahh! This is how I change this!
purpel
Well-Known Member
Well to be honest I don't believe in paying to play, but your statement is arrogant. First of all there are places that have two pilots sitting in a single piston because it allows the pilot to concentrate more on flying the airplane. Let's say an outfit wants two pilots sitting in a C210, but duh the airplane is single pilot. Does that really mean another pilot shouldn't be sitting there? Should the FAA put a placard in every single pilot qualified airplane that only one pilot is to sit in the airplane? I believe that two pilots can make the cockpit safer and let two people learn new things since you have two different pilots, with different training backgrounds. Crew resource management is a very useful tool in the cockpit. Maybe you do not have experience with crew resource management, but don't bring other people down with saying that only one pilot is needed in a Metro.
I have heard many people tell me that the Metro is a very difficult airplane to fly single pilot. I bet it would be much easier on the PIC if there was some help in the right seat from an FO. BTW a first officer/pilot monitoring is a equally qualified pilot too.
Again I don't sponsor pay to fly jobs, but don't bring down other good jobs that pay pilots decent money to sit right seat even though they can't log it. Why rant about this when it doesn't affect your life. Who cares what others do to start their career you can't change it, so stop ranting on others that didn't go the supposed "Do your time as a CFI route."
BTW it didn't take me long to answer your question. An FO in a Metro would take some of the duties off of you while you are flying and maybe provide a second opinion during flights. It is always hard to fly with a pilot that doesn't want any help because his or hers ego is to big to ask for any help or input.
My suggestion?
Keep looking for low time opportunities, but get your CFI.
Here's the trick. You can sit around searching and languishing for months, if not years and then end up with the same quandary of what to do as a low time pilot. But at least you would have earned your CFI and have an additional option to continue flying.
Do NOT wait for something "magic" to happen with those times.
Keep looking for low time opportunities, but get your CFI.
Here's the trick. You can sit around searching and languishing for months, if not years and then end up with the same quandary of what to do as a low time pilot. But at least you would have earned your CFI and have an additional option to continue flying.
Do NOT wait for something "magic" to happen with those times.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I think you missed the point. In a single pilot aircraft, by definition, your "help" isn't needed. And I'll give you dollars to donuts it isn't desired, either.
jhugz
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The problem is there aren't proper CRM training courses for these types of airplanes/operations. They take two pilots, teach them how to fly the airplane single pilot, and throw 'em together in a crew and tell them to go at it. That's way unsafer then me just flying the damn thing single pilot.
Our company and Ameriflight seem to do it on a daily basis. In fact we have one pilot with probably 10 years on the metro, I wonder how he hasn't offed himself yet?
What would I know, I only fly it. You'd be wrong. Great, did we all go through an extensive CRM course together, in ground, in the sim, to fly this properly with two pilots? If not? Sit on your hands and don't touch a thing.
Did I mention, do your time as a CFI?
He'll more then likely increase my workload, see above.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
The time isn't unloggable, most of these companies have an exemption to allow for the logging of SIC time in a single pilot airplane. The flight time is legit in the logbook, it just can't be used towards a rating. So for example this guy has 300 hours from the program, he now needs 1800TT to get his ATP. It's still legally loggable flight time though. Now does the flight time really mean anything? Not really...
(credit goes to Brett for winning me beer)
WacoFan
Bigly
You would want my help in an MU2 though. Together we'd be awesomeness. We could fly, enjoy hookers and blow on our layovers, and in our free time we could fight crime. I think we should buy an MU2 and get a 135 certificate and contract with someone.
jhugz
Well-Known Member
You had me at hookers and blow, I'm in too.
z987k
Well-Known Member
You can't even key the mic from the right seat of most of our planes. There's no intercom either, so you can't even talk to them. The left seat ends up with the whole workload anyways. If an FO went for the gear, I'd wonder what he was really reaching for... it's not really in a spot for him to have his hands. I think the most useful thing I've had a right seat person do in my airplane is put the code in the box while I was repeating it back.
BEEF SUPREME
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I flew charter in the right seat of a single pilot airplane for years. I don't really understand the issue with that. I do understand however the issue with paying for flight time. It hurts people who need money.
But come on guys. I sat on the other side of the same airplane as PIC four years later and would never belittle someone for doing what I did.
Now paying to get my old job. At that point I would just feel sorry for you.
But come on guys. I sat on the other side of the same airplane as PIC four years later and would never belittle someone for doing what I did.
Now paying to get my old job. At that point I would just feel sorry for you.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I don't mean to belittle anyone for riding along in the right seat of a single pilot airplane. I think it's great to see how things are done, and it's always useful to have an extra set of hands (and eyes). However, I take issue with the supposition that the PIC is in desperate need of "help" or "input", but is too ragingly egomanical to ask for it. I'd imagine that when you were PIC you wouldn't much have cared for someone with that attitude in the other seat, either.
And yes, the primary issue here is someone paying a bunch of dough to "skip a step" and pad the ole logbook with "multi-turbine time" that isn't worth a plugged nickel (IMHO).
And yes, the primary issue here is someone paying a bunch of dough to "skip a step" and pad the ole logbook with "multi-turbine time" that isn't worth a plugged nickel (IMHO).