United 93 - Accident Investigation

Cptnchia said:
So I'm supposed to believe that two administrations, incapable of balancing a budget, or for that matter, even do their job competantly, and an Intelligence service, incapable of assassinating a third world despot, are capable of Machevialian scheming on a magnitude that encompasses thousands? Not to mention that not one person ratted it out? In a town as leaky as Washington DC? Hell, even the Pentagon is a sieve.
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Maybe it was the "shadow government" :rotfl:
 
staledog said:
Oh yeah every airplane crash picture I have ever seen has at least one recognizable airplane part laying around somewhere. But all the parts of the plane the hit the Pentagon just evaporated into thin air, right? Yeah, ok..

Show me a picture of an airplane part they got out of the Pentagon.
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Look up El Al Flight 1862 there was nothing that looked like any part of a plane after the crash. Also look up the photos of the the US Air Crash outside PIT.
 
I don't buy into any of the conspiracies on 9-11, however I do find it odd that there is no visual evidence of the plane hitting the pentagon. I just don't understand how, with so many security cameras in the area, nothing captured the image of the plane. I have read and heard multiple stories though of all the blackboxes being recovered though.
 
staledog said:
Oh yeah every airplane crash picture I have ever seen has at least one recognizable airplane part laying around somewhere. But all the parts of the plane the hit the Pentagon just evaporated into thin air, right? Yeah, ok..

Show me a picture of an airplane part they got out of the Pentagon.

Also, I don't believe in chemtrails. ;)
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A family friend witnessed the aircraft fly over his car and hit the pentagon. He actually quit his job and had to seek counseling, he took it really bad.

Take off your tin foil hats.
 
staledog said:
Oh yeah every airplane crash picture I have ever seen has at least one recognizable airplane part laying around somewhere. But all the parts of the plane the hit the Pentagon just evaporated into thin air, right? Yeah, ok..

Show me a picture of an airplane part they got out of the Pentagon.
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I don't see any parts past the hole in the 3rd ring of the pentagon but there were a few peices on the front lawn. Most people haven't seen what the pentagon looked like from the front either before the secondary collapse. But then again, I don't have any other similar crashes in history to compair this to.

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Third ring exit.
 
Jet said:
I don't see any parts past the hole in the 3rd ring of the pentagon but there were a few peices on the front lawn. Most people haven't seen what the pentagon looked like from the front either before the secondary collapse. But then again, I don't have any other similar crashes in history to compair this to.

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Third ring exit.
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That picture looks so shopped. A 3rd grader could do better. The smoke residue is too linear and too evenly graduated in shading. The hole is too symmetrical. The hole is smooth-edged...it looks more like a train tunnel than exit wound. The debris is too neatly arranged. For that matter, are we to accept that the debris shattered into thousands of fragments but still had enough energy to knock a whole through the wall?

I could go on....that picture is so corny I really do believe it to be the handiwork of the govt spooks.
 
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staledog said:
Not directed at you, inventor, just using your quote as an example.

Well, I don't think they did a very good job of covering up whatever really happened because otherwise millions of people wouldn't question it. I don't claim to know what really happened, but I can see that the official version is full of holes. For all you people that think the government couldn't do "something" like that and keep it a secret with thousands of people knowing about it and pulling it off...REALLY? Let's see, it took thousands of people to develop the Atom bomb and they kept it a secret, it took thousands of people to develop the stealth aircraft we have and they kept it a secret...hmmm, you don't think they could pull off something like 9/11 and keep it a secret? Now I'm not saying they orchestrated the whole thing. But, like I already said, the story is full of holes. There's been at least a couple documentaries made about it that bring up several good points (and some really far fetched points too). Personally, I don't think there's any way we are being told the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Whoever said the government wouldn't do that because they have morals...:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:



Oh yeah every airplane crash picture I have ever seen has at least one recognizable airplane part laying around somewhere. But all the parts of the plane the hit the Pentagon just evaporated into thin air, right? Yeah, ok..

Show me a picture of an airplane part they got out of the Pentagon."




Several parts shown here were recovered.
Why don't you do a little research next time before opening your big mouth cowboy.
Not to mention countless eye witness reports of a plane hitting the pentagon and AA missing a 757, a flight crew and all its passengers. Hmmm.. what do you thing happned to all that?

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staledog said:
Whoever said the government wouldn't do that because they have morals...:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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Thousands of people kept those things a secret, but those were projects that are just a wee bit different than killings thousands of Americans for no apparent reason? It isn't that the government (sidenote: the government is actual made of people, not just some abstract thing you can blame for everything. It's a body of people, and I doubt they just drastically turn into different people once they get into office) has morals, it's that at least of few of the thousands of military members and civilians wouldn't? Really?
 
Mark815 said:
I just don't understand how, with so many security cameras in the area, nothing captured the image of the plane.
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There were three security cameras facing the crash site rolling at the time including one at the hilton and a gas station. All three were siezed and besides a couple frames pulled from the video, they still have not been released.
 
I've learned that with conspiracy theorists to never attempt to confuse them with the facts, as they have already made up their minds! I have a former girlfriend who actually saw AA 11 come down the Hudson river at low altitude from her apartment on the Palisade cliffs in NJ. Of course, she is lying and on the government payroll, right?

The good news is, all conspiracy theories concerning 9/11 are easily debunked, provided the listener/reader has an IQ greater than a squirrel.
 
DayTripper said:
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staledog said:
Not directed at you, inventor, just using your quote as an example.

Well, I don't think they did a very good job of covering up whatever really happened because otherwise millions of people wouldn't question it. I don't claim to know what really happened, but I can see that the official version is full of holes. For all you people that think the government couldn't do "something" like that and keep it a secret with thousands of people knowing about it and pulling it off...REALLY? Let's see, it took thousands of people to develop the Atom bomb and they kept it a secret, it took thousands of people to develop the stealth aircraft we have and they kept it a secret...hmmm, you don't think they could pull off something like 9/11 and keep it a secret? Now I'm not saying they orchestrated the whole thing. But, like I already said, the story is full of holes. There's been at least a couple documentaries made about it that bring up several good points (and some really far fetched points too). Personally, I don't think there's any way we are being told the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Whoever said the government wouldn't do that because they have morals...:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:



Oh yeah every airplane crash picture I have ever seen has at least one recognizable airplane part laying around somewhere. But all the parts of the plane the hit the Pentagon just evaporated into thin air, right? Yeah, ok..

Show me a picture of an airplane part they got out of the Pentagon."




Several parts shown here were recovered.
Why don't you do a little research next time before opening your big mouth cowboy.
Not to mention countless eye witness reports of a plane hitting the pentagon and AA missing a 757, a flight crew and all its passengers. Hmmm.. what do you thing happned to all that?

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Well, cowgirl, as a matter a fact I had never seen any of those pictures. I said I had never seen pictures of airplane parts near the Pentagon crash, and I hadn't. So really, if those pictures just completely disprove every person that thinks it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, why aren't those pictures more widespread? And frankly, while I am MORE INCLINED now to believe the story, those pictures don't PROVE anything. The picture with the firetruck could have had the one airplane part photoshopped in. And the other picture COULD have been taken anywhere. Am I saying that's what happened? No. But they don't prove you correct either. And the countless eye witness reports? Did you interview those "countless" people? Since you're so up on the subject how about you post a clip or two of someone saying how they saw the plane hit the building. Maybe I even saw some of that before, but just forgot. And as far as AA missing a plane and the people on it, good point..unless it was disappeared somewhere else, like out over the ocean, to make the story that much more believable. I wouldn't put it past the government, Lord knows they've killed thousands of innocent people in history before (even if you don't realize it). The government is just made up of people. People lie, kill, and do all sorts of screwed up things.

So far the most convincing thing I've heard is the guy who said his family friend saw it fly over his car and hit the building. That's better to me than any story or photo released by the government.
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staledog said:
DayTripper said:
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Well, cowgirl, as a matter a fact I had never seen any of those pictures. I said I had never seen pictures of airplane parts near the Pentagon crash, and I hadn't. So really, if those pictures just completely disprove every person that thinks it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon, why aren't those pictures more widespread? And frankly, while I am MORE INCLINED now to believe the story, those pictures don't PROVE anything. The picture with the firetruck could have had the one airplane part photoshopped in. And the other picture COULD have been taken anywhere. Am I saying that's what happened? No. But they don't prove you correct either. And the countless eye witness reports? Did you interview those "countless" people? Since you're so up on the subject how about you post a clip or two of someone saying how they saw the plane hit the building. Maybe I even saw some of that before, but just forgot. And as far as AA missing a plane and the people on it, good point..unless it was disappeared somewhere else, like out over the ocean, to make the story that much more believable. I wouldn't put it past the government, Lord knows they've killed thousands of innocent people in history before (even if you don't realize it). The government is just made up of people. People lie, kill, and do all sorts of screwed up things.

So far the most convincing thing I've heard is the guy who said his family friend saw it fly over his car and hit the building. That's better to me than any story or photo released by the government.
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Heck, I saw those photos and others years ago! Also, what about cell phone calls made from the planes?

Like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icfkIH3j-nk&feature=related

I know, Betty Ong was making the call from her living room!
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Jet said:
There were three security cameras facing the crash site rolling at the time including one at the hilton and a gas station. All three were siezed and besides a couple frames pulled from the video, they still have not been released.
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You know I've heard that, and totally believe it. I'd like to see the video of that, and I also would like to hear or at least read the transcripts from the black boxes.

I don't believe the government would tell us the total truth, IMO you're a moron if you truly believe the government doesn't lie to us, but you're also a moron if you believe that 9-11 was an inside job. Government's lie to their people all the time, and ours isn't any different, however we unfortunately lost 4 airplanes, and many lives that day due to terrorist acts, not because of a secret government plan.
 
loubetti said:
I've learned that with conspiracy theorists to never attempt to confuse them with the facts, as they have already made up their minds! I have a former girlfriend who actually saw AA 11 come down the Hudson river at low altitude from her apartment on the Palisade cliffs in NJ. Of course, she is lying and on the government payroll, right?
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You should enlighten us as to what conspiracy is out there about AA 11. I've seen all the video of flight 11 hitting the north tower, what is there to not believe?
 
pullup said:
So someone who doesn't believe a govt explanation are racist. Wow, that is one mega super far leap to make there.
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You mean the people who say it was a Jewish conspiracy and that Jews were warned to stay away from the Twin Towers on 9/11? Yeah, I'd consider them to be racist.
 
Jet said:
You should enlighten us as to what conspiracy is out there about AA 11, all I've seen is all the video of flight 11 hitting the north tower. What is there to not believe?
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I believe Lou was being sarcastic.
 
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