Taxi question
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MidlifeFlyer
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Well since you don't even need a pilot certificate to taxi an aircraft...
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
I can!
SIUav8er
Narcosis
I was referring to whether it was legal.
I cant imagine that its ok for someone who is not an A&P or a licensed pilot to simply get into an airplane and taxi around the airport. Example; re-positioning an aircraft from one FBO to another one across the field, entering the movement area, recieving taxi instructions, crossing runways, etc.
As for A&P's, I think part of the General mechanic training, you are required to be trained how to taxi an airplane. thus the certificate gives you the privilege.
Maybe I am missing something...? But to me, it sounds like you must be a licensed pilot or mechanic to taxi an aircraft, thus if it is a two crew aircraft, the FO must be on board. Does UPS allow thier mechanics to taxi 747's and DC-10's around solo? If nothing more, its nice to have a second set of eyes to clear the right side.
I cant imagine that its ok for someone who is not an A&P or a licensed pilot to simply get into an airplane and taxi around the airport. Example; re-positioning an aircraft from one FBO to another one across the field, entering the movement area, recieving taxi instructions, crossing runways, etc.
As for A&P's, I think part of the General mechanic training, you are required to be trained how to taxi an airplane. thus the certificate gives you the privilege.
Maybe I am missing something...? But to me, it sounds like you must be a licensed pilot or mechanic to taxi an aircraft, thus if it is a two crew aircraft, the FO must be on board. Does UPS allow thier mechanics to taxi 747's and DC-10's around solo? If nothing more, its nice to have a second set of eyes to clear the right side.
pericynthion
Well-Known Member
It's legal. May or may not be safe, depending on the environment and the driver's experience. Some airports might impose their own training requirements?
F9DXER
Well-Known Member
This is what I was taught.
Yes it is legal.
The reason it can be done is that the purpose of the aircraft movement is for something other than departing on a flight.
The flipside of that is, even if you did have your license and medical on you, you could not log that time for the same reason.
When I was taking ME training, had one flight that we taxied out to the runup area, had an engine that wouldnt cooperate, taxied back, aircraft down, flight lesson got cancelled, yet I was still able to log that time because the purpose was for an actual flight.
Now I could be wrong but it at least sound good and logical.
Yes it is legal.
The reason it can be done is that the purpose of the aircraft movement is for something other than departing on a flight.
The flipside of that is, even if you did have your license and medical on you, you could not log that time for the same reason.
When I was taking ME training, had one flight that we taxied out to the runup area, had an engine that wouldnt cooperate, taxied back, aircraft down, flight lesson got cancelled, yet I was still able to log that time because the purpose was for an actual flight.
Now I could be wrong but it at least sound good and logical.
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
This sums it up right here. Joe the hobo could jump into a 747 and taxi around the airport to his heart's content. The FAA won't care. TSA probably will as the hobo most likely jumped a fence.
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
Imagine it. You can taxi a 747 all over the airport anytime you want provided you get a clearance for ATC if applicable.
I never got that training in A&P school.
You are confusing FAA requirements with insurance requirements and company SOP.
If I paid 50 million dollars for an airplane (or insured it) then no way am I going to let anybody off the street drive it around the airport. However the FAA doesn't care if you run a shiny new 747 into a drainage ditch.
USMCmech
Well-Known Member
One of the great things about the FAA (yes I meant to say that) is if we do a good job of policing ourselves (requiring extensive training before being allowed to taxi a jet around an airport) then they don't see any need to make any formal rules.
A "run/taxi liscense" that a mechanic gets from their employer is not issued by the FAA, but the FSDO knows that the airline has a training program before Joe mechanic taxis around the airport.
The same thing applies to skydivers. The FAA does not regulate training or liscencing of skydivers, the USPA has done such a good job of regulating themselves that there is no need.
Mike H
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MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
The FAA can also impose civil (money) penalties for FAR violations.
Mark Alexander
B717doc
Here where I work, we actually TOW aircraft across active runways at ATL international during the day AND at night, using FMC "Expeditier" tugs, using one person. I don't neccesarily agree with this, but been doing it for over 5 years now.. We do require 2 qualified technicians in the cockpit during taxi operations, however...I physically could taxi by myself, but not legal per company regulations....We, as techs here, AVERAGE about 300 moves per year here at Hartsfield....BY OURSELVES...
The Part 1 definition of flight time includes the requirement for the aircraft to come to a stop after landing, in addition to the moving under own power and intent requirements. Thus you cannot legally log flight time when you get a bad mag and return to the ramp.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Can they if you don't have a pilot certificate? I've always heard that if you don't have a pilot cert, and go get into a heap of trouble the faa can't do much.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
That sounds like one of those myths like not handing your pilot cert to an FAA inspector when they want to look at it. If the EPA and TSA can fine you, I'd imagine the FAA can do the same whether you hold an airman certificate or not.
