CHANGE TO JETBLUE J/S POLICY - Sorry folks

[Cptnchia]

Well, if a briefing card works for pax, I don't see why it wouldn't work for crews. You have to admit that the "RJ doors" comment could have seemed extremely condescending. What about the E190, since we're actually talking about B6 airplanes anyway. Would that operate like a Boeing/Airbus door or an RJ door?

No, there was a comment on why Delta still allows pilots to sit on a FA jumpseat, but not DCI pilots. That's what the expanation was for. Anyone can sit in an exit row seat with a briefing card. You are attempting to equate a passenger seat with the FA jumpseat, and that is wrong. When was the last time you saw a paying passenger sit on the actual jumpseat?

As far a condecending, it is the legal answer for Delta. B6 had their own legal answer, though apparently that's changing. Doesn't much matter what we think of it though, each corporation is going to do what they think is best. We are just along for the ride.

 

[kellwolf]

No, there was a comment on why Delta still allows pilots to sit on a FA jumpseat, but not DCI pilots. That's what the expanation was for. Anyone can sit in an exit row seat with a briefing card. You are attempting to equate a passenger seat with the FA jumpseat, and that is wrong. When was the last time you saw a paying passenger sit on the actual jumpseat?

Then why did you even mention "passengers?"

If that's rhe case, then you sure as hell don't need any passengers back there either. Maybe you guys should refuse to carry anyone not properly trained.

The CRJ doesn't even have an extra FA jumpseat, so it's a moot point there. If we did, I'd me more than happy to push for a policy that would allow mainline JSers and OAL guys to catch a ride on it. Not sure what the ERJ operators' policies are when they have an extra FA jumpseat.

 

[Cptnchia]

Then why did you even mention "passengers?"

Because Barronman made the comment about not allowing mainline pilots to sit in the back and my response was if that's the case, then maybe he shouldn't allow passengers as well. Was it a faceitious comment? You betcha!

I don't get your angst here. Every company has their own policy. B6 got burned by theirs. Someone asked about Delta's. I answered. Sorry you feel slighted, but them's the breaks. If you haven't figured it out yet, working for a DCI doesn't mean much in the eyes of Delta management. If they treat their own employees like a number, then you guys are a sub-prime number.

 

[jtrain609]

Because Barronman made the comment about not allowing mainline pilots to sit in the back and my response was if that's the case, then maybe he shouldn't allow passengers as well. Was it a faceitious comment? You betcha!

I don't get your angst here. Every company has their own policy. B6 got burned by theirs. Someone asked about Delta's. I answered. Sorry you feel slighted, but them's the breaks. If you haven't figured it out yet, working for a DCI doesn't mean much in the eyes of Delta management. If they treat their own employees like a number, then you guys are a sub-prime number.

The angst is in the implication that Boeing and Airbus doors are somehow otherwordly and that regional pilots are INCAPABLE of operating them because regional pilots aren't superior mainline pilots, where I think your intent was to say simply that Boeing and Airbus build doors differently than Bombardier and Embraer. Further indignation could be found in realizing that it's just a freakin' door, and that any idiot could probably figure out how to operate it within a few seconds.

And if you're surprised in that angst, you'd be surprised how often regional pilots run into the "superiority" attitude/argument from mainline guys, whether or not that was your intent.

 

[Cptnchia]

Wow. If you got all that out of why Delta doesn't allow DCI pilots to sit on a FA jumpseat, than you got some other issues to work out!

 

[Cruise]

The angst is in the implication that Boeing and Airbus doors are somehow otherwordly and that regional pilots are INCAPABLE of operating them because regional pilots aren't superior mainline pilots, where I think your intent was to say simply that Boeing and Airbus build doors differently than Bombardier and Embraer. Further indignation could be found in realizing that it's just a freakin' door, and that any idiot could probably figure out how to operate it within a few seconds.

And if you're surprised in that angst, you'd be surprised how often regional pilots run into the "superiority" attitude/argument from mainline guys, whether or not that was your intent.

^^^ Yeah, this ^^^

Wow. If you got all that out of why Delta doesn't allow DCI pilots to sit on a FA jumpseat, than you got some other issues to work out!

Look, I don't think any of us have "other issues to work out," your statement came off as being condescending. Whether that was your intent or not, only you know for certain; but, I'd figure you didn't mean anything other than disseminating information as you see it in the eyes of Big D. So, thanks!

Instead of telling us we have issues, perhaps you could've said "Sorry you perceived my statement as being condescending, that was not my intent".....blah blah blah. We all know the internet is a terrible medium for communicating intent/ tone of a thought. So don't rip on someone because they didn't quite get the meaning in your post. Just clarify in subsequent statements.


IMHO......

 

[Pilotforhire587]

True, but my point was Delta really should be concerned with the training the Delta Connection partners are doing rather than "What's the price? Sold." If they're as non-complex as the MD-11 doors, it ain't THAT hard.

lol MD-11 door, pull to release and lift...

 

[kellwolf]

lol MD-11 door, pull to release and lift...

No kidding. It doesn't get much easier than "If things go bad, pull the big red handle." 'Course if the charges don't blow, you're not going anywhere. That door weighs a bit.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

All the doors IMO are fairly simple to operate, IMO. The think I think we are missing here is that Boeing, Airbus, and MD have slides integrated into the door. If the slides are not disarmed prior to opening you have the potential to kill or injure someone if it deploys near someone on the outside. Delta has control over their points and hi they screw the pooch on delta metal then Delta can take appropriate action. If a JSer screws the pooch then all they can do is pull a jumpseat agreement.

 

[Cptnchia]

Thank you. You said it better than me. I guess I gotta do a better job next time for the SNAPs.

 

[Cav]

All the doors IMO are fairly simple to operate, IMO. The think I think we are missing here is that Boeing, Airbus, and MD have slides integrated into the door. If the slides are not disarmed prior to opening you have the potential to kill or injure someone if it deploys near someone on the outside. Delta has control over their points and hi they screw the pooch on delta metal then Delta can take appropriate action. If a JSer screws the pooch then all they can do is pull a jumpseat agreement.

This is the key. Doors with armed slides are a totally different animal. Not saying it's necessarily complicated but the consequences for screwing it up are pretty substantial.

Not sure why the DAL FA jumpseat agreement is an issue here? More often than not an offline pilot benefits because an online jumpseater can take an FA jumpseat leaving the flight deck open for an offline CASS pilot. We ought to be encouraging these agreements rather than bickering about them. There aren't too many carriers that allow ANY pilots to occupy an FA jumpseat.

 

[SteveC]

"SNAPS" - haven't heard that term in a while.